General Car Conversation
11-07-23, 11:35 AM
#7951
Lexus Fanatic
You can make a 6.2 nice and quiet. Used already in the S class but quiet wasn’t the idea, but it’s LC500/IS500 V8 old that engine too can be made to be quiet and refined …. The larger size would make it an absolute delight. No issues with a smaller displacement V8, but you already said you owned nothing larger than a 4.6. When you one day downsize to a 6, you’ll understand why so many of us hate smaller turbo engines.
11-07-23, 11:37 AM
#7952
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
The power delivery is different. I would rather have the engine I have than the 5.0 Lexus V8 for sure. Nothing against that engine it’s just not as relaxed and doesn’t have the same effortless low end power.
I won’t be downsizing to a 6, I’ll go EV.
I won’t be downsizing to a 6, I’ll go EV.
11-07-23, 11:40 AM
#7953
Lexus Fanatic
Most people would. So would I The 5.0 is ancient and is from yesteryear. Naturally aspirated is not the issue with the Toyota 5.0, it’s the age. It is too bad MB disconnect the 4.7/5.5 V8s
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 11-07-23 at 11:45 AM.
11-07-23, 11:45 AM
#7954
Lexus Test Driver
the SLR as well had a dry sump version of the M113, and even the super rare grey market CLK DTM
11-07-23, 11:55 AM
#7955
Lexus Champion
I will say that I am sold on turbochargers after buying this 540i. The combination of an inline-6 and a turbo just feels right. I'll always love the V8 in my F-150 and it's never going anywhere as long as I can help it, but I can totally see why people have embraced smaller turbocharged engines. I wouldn't mind seeing Ford move from V6 to I6 engines for the ecoboosts.
This thing is quick!
This thing is quick!
11-07-23, 01:39 PM
#7957
Lexus Test Driver
since we're on the topic of downsized engines, here's a post from a few hours ago lmao
https://v.redd.it/pytqacsngwyb1
whether replacing the C63s V8 with an I4 hybrid is the right move or not isn't for me to say... but idk how mercedes execs didn't anticipate such non stop backlash (or maybe just didn't care)
https://v.redd.it/pytqacsngwyb1
whether replacing the C63s V8 with an I4 hybrid is the right move or not isn't for me to say... but idk how mercedes execs didn't anticipate such non stop backlash (or maybe just didn't care)
11-07-23, 02:20 PM
#7960
Lexus Champion
The older 4.7/5.5TT sure but not the 4.0 engines, plus the 6.2 is also a fragile engine in terms of things breaking. Head fastener pullout, chains, valves etc......
If in picking a stock Mercedes engine it's gonna be a 4.0 or the V12
11-07-23, 02:28 PM
#7962
Lexus Test Driver
lol and who might that be? i've yet to see someone praise the decision for the C63
are we talking strictly stock engines? from my understanding the hot v engine is more limited in tuning potential since there's less space for upgrades
Doubt it, the 6.2 is great and sounds amazing but you can't beat the hot V engines for actual output.
The older 4.7/5.5TT sure but not the 4.0 engines, plus the 6.2 is also a fragile engine in terms of things breaking. Head fastener pullout, chains, valves etc......
If in picking a stock Mercedes engine it's gonna be a 4.0 or the V12
The older 4.7/5.5TT sure but not the 4.0 engines, plus the 6.2 is also a fragile engine in terms of things breaking. Head fastener pullout, chains, valves etc......
If in picking a stock Mercedes engine it's gonna be a 4.0 or the V12
11-07-23, 02:35 PM
#7963
Lexus Champion
Stock to stock I would pick the 6.3 for a track type car and for all other situations but for the street I prefer the AMG 4.0 over all others. It's just a hammer you can't beat unless you use the BMW/Audi hot-V engines.
I love my W12 to actually drive and enjoy in all types of driving but my 4.0 is a sub 10 sec car on E40 fuel. Speed wise you will not beat a hot V engine with an NA engine unless you are on a track or the turbo engine is heat soaked. Even then you better have a really good NA engine like a V10/12 class option
11-07-23, 02:37 PM
#7964
Lexus Champion
The power delivery your engine and the other hot Vs is emulating is a 12 cyl engine. That's why you like it so much, try a JLR 5.0 super engine perhaps? It feels exactly like a 12
11-07-23, 02:55 PM
#7965
Lexus Test Driver
Oh not at all, the hot V is a monster. 1000+ HP capable on stock bottom end in the AMGs, totally different class the 6.3 engines.
Stock to stock I would pick the 6.3 for a track type car and for all other situations but for the street I prefer the AMG 4.0 over all others. It's just a hammer you can't beat unless you use the BMW/Audi hot-V engines.
I love my W12 to actually drive and enjoy in all types of driving but my 4.0 is a sub 10 sec car on E40 fuel. Speed wise you will not beat a hot V engine with an NA engine unless you are on a track or the turbo engine is heat soaked. Even then you better have a really good NA engine like a V10/12 class option
Stock to stock I would pick the 6.3 for a track type car and for all other situations but for the street I prefer the AMG 4.0 over all others. It's just a hammer you can't beat unless you use the BMW/Audi hot-V engines.
I love my W12 to actually drive and enjoy in all types of driving but my 4.0 is a sub 10 sec car on E40 fuel. Speed wise you will not beat a hot V engine with an NA engine unless you are on a track or the turbo engine is heat soaked. Even then you better have a really good NA engine like a V10/12 class option
the hot v stuff is obviously faster than n/a but i was under the impression the M157 5.5tt still had more to gain, but clearly the M177 can take more boost