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#8071
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I think the automakers also agree.
If you look in the HD truck space, Ford and GM began reversing their trend of downsizing the gas V8's. Throughout the 2010's, Ford was using a SOHC 6.2 and GM was using an OHV 6.0. These were the sole gas engine options in these trucks.
Fast forward to this decade, GM replaced the 6.0 with a 6.6, while maintaining relative simplicity. Ford replaced the 6.2 with a choice of either a 6.8 or 7.3 OHV gas engine. Overbuilt, under stressed, and simple as a modern engine can be while meeting emissions requirements. I'd be shocked if those engines don't all go to 300k with very few issues.
If you look in the HD truck space, Ford and GM began reversing their trend of downsizing the gas V8's. Throughout the 2010's, Ford was using a SOHC 6.2 and GM was using an OHV 6.0. These were the sole gas engine options in these trucks.
Fast forward to this decade, GM replaced the 6.0 with a 6.6, while maintaining relative simplicity. Ford replaced the 6.2 with a choice of either a 6.8 or 7.3 OHV gas engine. Overbuilt, under stressed, and simple as a modern engine can be while meeting emissions requirements. I'd be shocked if those engines don't all go to 300k with very few issues.
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I think the automakers also agree.
If you look in the HD truck space, Ford and GM began reversing their trend of downsizing the gas V8's. Throughout the 2010's, Ford was using a SOHC 6.2 and GM was using an OHV 6.0. These were the sole gas engine options in these trucks.
Fast forward to this decade, GM replaced the 6.0 with a 6.6, while maintaining relative simplicity. Ford replaced the 6.2 with a choice of either a 6.8 or 7.3 OHV gas engine. Overbuilt, under stressed, and simple as a modern engine can be while meeting emissions requirements. I'd be shocked if those engines don't all go to 300k with very few issues.
If you look in the HD truck space, Ford and GM began reversing their trend of downsizing the gas V8's. Throughout the 2010's, Ford was using a SOHC 6.2 and GM was using an OHV 6.0. These were the sole gas engine options in these trucks.
Fast forward to this decade, GM replaced the 6.0 with a 6.6, while maintaining relative simplicity. Ford replaced the 6.2 with a choice of either a 6.8 or 7.3 OHV gas engine. Overbuilt, under stressed, and simple as a modern engine can be while meeting emissions requirements. I'd be shocked if those engines don't all go to 300k with very few issues.
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#8073
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My brother has a 9 year old BMW with a diesel engine. Overall the car is below average and mediocre when it comes to reliability. A lot of things have to be replaced such as ball joints, bushings and suspension bits. Overall the engine has never let him down, but he has a constant CEL on for something to do with emissions but we don’t have an emissions testing here. Sadly, the car is not very quiet.
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It's a tractor, what did you expect?
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#8075
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I was behind an X5 diesel a year or two ago that was malfunctioning so badly and so loudly that it sounded like almost like dump truck or some insane tuned 3500.
I could hear it 3 cars away and drove up to see what the deal was, tailpipes were smoking. I have no idea what the issue was. It sounded bad. The owner was oblivious which I couldn't believe, because that's how freakin' loud it was.
I could hear it 3 cars away and drove up to see what the deal was, tailpipes were smoking. I have no idea what the issue was. It sounded bad. The owner was oblivious which I couldn't believe, because that's how freakin' loud it was.
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I think the automakers also agree.
If you look in the HD truck space, Ford and GM began reversing their trend of downsizing the gas V8's. Throughout the 2010's, Ford was using a SOHC 6.2 and GM was using an OHV 6.0. These were the sole gas engine options in these trucks.
Fast forward to this decade, GM replaced the 6.0 with a 6.6, while maintaining relative simplicity. Ford replaced the 6.2 with a choice of either a 6.8 or 7.3 OHV gas engine. Overbuilt, under stressed, and simple as a modern engine can be while meeting emissions requirements. I'd be shocked if those engines don't all go to 300k with very few issues.
If you look in the HD truck space, Ford and GM began reversing their trend of downsizing the gas V8's. Throughout the 2010's, Ford was using a SOHC 6.2 and GM was using an OHV 6.0. These were the sole gas engine options in these trucks.
Fast forward to this decade, GM replaced the 6.0 with a 6.6, while maintaining relative simplicity. Ford replaced the 6.2 with a choice of either a 6.8 or 7.3 OHV gas engine. Overbuilt, under stressed, and simple as a modern engine can be while meeting emissions requirements. I'd be shocked if those engines don't all go to 300k with very few issues.
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This isn't a reliability issue, it's a design ethos. These parts are consumables in ALL BMWs. It's a consequence of designing a car for both sharp, tight handling, and simultaneously a good ride. If you want to do one or the other, it's a cakewalk to make these parts last nearly forever. Either you use rock-hard urethane bushings everywhere and get great handling at the expense of a jittery ride, or you use soft rubber ones for mushy, imprecise handling and a really smooth ride. BMW uses very hard rubber to try to get close to the performance of the urethane, while still providing a compliant ride. As a result, they wear and typically have to be replaced in the 80-100k mile range. I had to do it on my E46, and also on my E90. I'm fully expecting the same on my G80, though I drive so little now I might not ever get there.
The emissions equipment is absolutely a weak point on these cars, as it is on most diesels of the time, especially imports due to the Euro6 regulations. Removing the EGR at a minimum works wonders for overall reliability and smoothness. There's no reason for it to be there in the first place. Diesel passenger vehicles are permanently exempt in IL also.
It's a tractor, what did you expect?
But if it's particularly bad, it may be related to the CEL. He should get that checked out.
The emissions equipment is absolutely a weak point on these cars, as it is on most diesels of the time, especially imports due to the Euro6 regulations. Removing the EGR at a minimum works wonders for overall reliability and smoothness. There's no reason for it to be there in the first place. Diesel passenger vehicles are permanently exempt in IL also.
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Re: the suspension - this applies for pretty much all "developed" vehicles, does it not? I don't think I've heard of somebody complaining about weak suspension / transmissions / brakes on a bmw. It's mostly the engine (& some auxiliaries like the cooling system) and the electronics.
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I love european cars, they are my favorite.
However, I always traded them in before they hit 100k miles because I worried about reliability at high miles.
However, I always traded them in before they hit 100k miles because I worried about reliability at high miles.
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I was behind an X5 diesel a year or two ago that was malfunctioning so badly and so loudly that it sounded like almost like dump truck or some insane tuned 3500.
I could hear it 3 cars away and drove up to see what the deal was, tailpipes were smoking. I have no idea what the issue was. It sounded bad. The owner was oblivious which I couldn't believe, because that's how freakin' loud it was.
I could hear it 3 cars away and drove up to see what the deal was, tailpipes were smoking. I have no idea what the issue was. It sounded bad. The owner was oblivious which I couldn't believe, because that's how freakin' loud it was.
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#8083
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Stick with 6s, BMW. That’s their forte.
100k is not a lot of miles, gotta agree with Jill there. Isn’t that what your E55 is about at? From what I’ve seen and know it’s flawless and ready to go another 200k.
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The S85 is generally okay up to 125k miles if you aren't a dumbass and let the oil warm up. So many people don't and end up killing them, yes I agree it shouldn't be needed but there is a way to treat the engine to extend life/delay the bearing service
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They don’t make it that long lol. They start throwing rods at 50k.
Stick with 6s, BMW. That’s their forte.
100k is not a lot of miles, gotta agree with Jill there. Isn’t that what your E55 is about at? From what I’ve seen and know it’s flawless and ready to go another 200k.
Stick with 6s, BMW. That’s their forte.
100k is not a lot of miles, gotta agree with Jill there. Isn’t that what your E55 is about at? From what I’ve seen and know it’s flawless and ready to go another 200k.
it was bought by some other 'youtubers' who had it up to 450k miles as of like a year ago but haven't seen updates since
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