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this may just be like when squidward hated krabby patties... if you can drive an S600 and still genuinely say that no part of the experience coaxed or appealed to you at any point, then this convo can officially be put to bed lol
i'm sure you once never thought the twin turbo V8 was something you "needed" either, that the LS 460 was plenty of car as it is!
i'm sure you once never thought the twin turbo V8 was something you "needed" either, that the LS 460 was plenty of car as it is!
oh believe me lol i'm not saying he should get rid of his S560, but it's tough for me to accept that a car enthusiast and S-class driver could still have zero interest in a hypothetical scenario of a completely hassle free S600 where costs were no object
of course in real life i agree the S560 is about the most capable, balanced, all-round premier luxury car one can get without becoming excessive and impractical
of course in real life i agree the S560 is about the most capable, balanced, all-round premier luxury car one can get without becoming excessive and impractical
I still think the engine in the LS460 was enough! My LS460L I had before this was 90% the car this is...
But no, if I was buying a new S Class today I would have zero interest in an S680 Maybach. Way too big and garish and expensive for very little benefit to me over an S580.
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Just make sure it has the AMG appearance package, however.
Yes! Thats a must have.
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I drove the S580e, I LOVE it in EV mode...don't love it when the gas engine kicks in, the 6 feels way less refined than what I am used to. In EV mode its capable but not quick. So the question is do I want a car that I love to drive on EV mode and on a trip will be less enjoyable or do I want a car thats enjoyable all the time...which means the V8 or a full EV.
Since I have driven it though we got the Pacifica Hybrid, and I have come to really like that powertrain...I will drive the S580e again at legnth.
Since I have driven it though we got the Pacifica Hybrid, and I have come to really like that powertrain...I will drive the S580e again at legnth.
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i was simply expanding on striker's scenario which it seemed like you wanted no part of... cost no object though i kind of agree i'm still not even sure i'd want that S680 'maybach', it's not like the OG maybach 57/62 where you were genuinely getting something to behold and not just a very expensive appearance package on a highly spec'd W222
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What I don't want cost being no object is an S63 or S65 or a Maybach
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I drove the S580e, I LOVE it in EV mode...don't love it when the gas engine kicks in, the 6 feels way less refined than what I am used to. In EV mode its capable but not quick. So the question is do I want a car that I love to drive on EV mode and on a trip will be less enjoyable or do I want a car thats enjoyable all the time...which means the V8 or a full EV.
Since I have driven it though we got the Pacifica Hybrid, and I have come to really like that powertrain...I will drive the S580e again at legnth.
Since I have driven it though we got the Pacifica Hybrid, and I have come to really like that powertrain...I will drive the S580e again at legnth.
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Like it or not, there are a lot of people that simply don't have quick or easy assess to BEV-chargers.
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Right. Many people live in apartments, and that's probably only going to grow with the rising cost of housing. I can't see apartment complex owners installing enough chargers to let every tenant charge their cars on the same day. It would be a hassle.
I don't have 220v in my garage, so I'd have to have that installed so that I don't have to trickle charge the thing. So I'm still years off from being ready for electric.
I don't have 220v in my garage, so I'd have to have that installed so that I don't have to trickle charge the thing. So I'm still years off from being ready for electric.
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but i do agree with you and have stated many times that lexus was NEVER on the same 'level' as mercedes, bmw, even audi.
lexus initially didn't have awd. later they didn't have turbos. they've never done an amg type offering (except 500 units of the sublime lfa, which imo, was a mistake as it didn't provide much of a halo and cost a bundle to develop, and they still had a hard time selling them!).
however i also believe lexus NEVER intended to go head to head with those brands, always seekling out something different, unique niches, and at least initially catching those other brands TOTALLY off guard and seeing (and capitalizing on) opportunities.
the ls400 totall caught everyone off guard. wasn't quite an s-class in being 'fancy' or super complex or even tank like, but it was the best car build quality EVER.
the gs400 totally caught everyone off guard with the silky v8, great looks, state of the art infotainment (bmw still had cd based nav, lol).
the sc was a unique grand coupe
the first rx created a new market for a unique luxury crossover!
the es may be fwd, but it represented unprecedented value, room, smoothness, build quality, etc. lexus knew most people aren't 'car people' but know a beautifully made comfortable car when they drive one and don't care about which wheels are driving it, how much horsepower, etc.
gx and lx leveraged prado and land cruiser revered platforms with nicer 'suits' for further unique wins.
and on and on...
that's the lexus story.
I drove the S580e, I LOVE it in EV mode...don't love it when the gas engine kicks in, the 6 feels way less refined than what I am used to. In EV mode its capable but not quick. So the question is do I want a car that I love to drive on EV mode and on a trip will be less enjoyable or do I want a car thats enjoyable all the time...which means the V8 or a full EV.
Since I have driven it though we got the Pacifica Hybrid, and I have come to really like that powertrain...I will drive the S580e again at legnth.
Since I have driven it though we got the Pacifica Hybrid, and I have come to really like that powertrain...I will drive the S580e again at legnth.
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I drove the S580e, I LOVE it in EV mode...don't love it when the gas engine kicks in, the 6 feels way less refined than what I am used to. In EV mode its capable but not quick. So the question is do I want a car that I love to drive on EV mode and on a trip will be less enjoyable or do I want a car thats enjoyable all the time...which means the V8 or a full EV.
Since I have driven it though we got the Pacifica Hybrid, and I have come to really like that powertrain...I will drive the S580e again at legnth.
Since I have driven it though we got the Pacifica Hybrid, and I have come to really like that powertrain...I will drive the S580e again at legnth.
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pay more…for less cargo capacity
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Right. Many people live in apartments, and that's probably only going to grow with the rising cost of housing. I can't see apartment complex owners installing enough chargers to let every tenant charge their cars on the same day. It would be a hassle.
I don't have 220v in my garage, so I'd have to have that installed so that I don't have to trickle charge the thing. So I'm still years off from being ready for electric.
I don't have 220v in my garage, so I'd have to have that installed so that I don't have to trickle charge the thing. So I'm still years off from being ready for electric.
Case in point, the chargers in the Dulles Airport garage, they are spread throughout with long cords so they can be accessed by spaces not right at the charger. This is what you will see in apartment/condo garages
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But you get 45 miles of smooth, wonderful, and almost free EV range...life is about tradeoffs. The S580e would probably drop my annual fuel cost by $4,000 a year, and the drive in EV mode is wonderful, plus the $7,500 tax rebate.
The trunk is plenty big for me. I have a subwoofer in my car and I bet my effective cargo space is less than that.
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Right. Many people live in apartments, and that's probably only going to grow with the rising cost of housing. I can't see apartment complex owners installing enough chargers to let every tenant charge their cars on the same day. It would be a hassle.
I don't have 220v in my garage, so I'd have to have that installed so that I don't have to trickle charge the thing. So I'm still years off from being ready for electric.
I don't have 220v in my garage, so I'd have to have that installed so that I don't have to trickle charge the thing. So I'm still years off from being ready for electric.
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But you get 45 miles of smooth, wonderful, and almost free EV range...life is about tradeoffs. The S580e would probably drop my annual fuel cost by $4,000 a year, and the drive in EV mode is wonderful, plus the $7,500 tax rebate.
The trunk is plenty big for me. I have a subwoofer in my car and I bet my effective cargo space is less than that.
I do agree about the trade-offs. But I don’t consider this situation worth it
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Right. Many people live in apartments, and that's probably only going to grow with the rising cost of housing. I can't see apartment complex owners installing enough chargers to let every tenant charge their cars on the same day. It would be a hassle.
I don't have 220v in my garage, so I'd have to have that installed so that I don't have to trickle charge the thing. So I'm still years off from being ready for electric.
I don't have 220v in my garage, so I'd have to have that installed so that I don't have to trickle charge the thing. So I'm still years off from being ready for electric.
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That can’t be serious. My LS430 has a 20 cubic foot trunk…
It’s a second and a half and some change slower 0-60 but I really don’t need it to be any faster than it is. It’s enough.
Not comparing the two just saying, Steve said his 460 engine was enough. I would agree with that as well as with my 430.
It’s a second and a half and some change slower 0-60 but I really don’t need it to be any faster than it is. It’s enough.
Not comparing the two just saying, Steve said his 460 engine was enough. I would agree with that as well as with my 430.
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