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#8986
Lexus Champion
Still would be totally worth it IMO, it's on my list of wanted cars
#8987
Super Moderator
Something that I completely forgot Volkswagen once had a twelve cylinder crossover. I can’t think of any other mainstream manufacturer that offered something similar. I respect that
https://windingroad.ca/listings/volk...w12-executive/
https://windingroad.ca/listings/volk...w12-executive/
Even more crazy is WHERE the W12 is in that car.
Last edited by geko29; 12-22-23 at 03:53 AM.
#8988
Lead Lap
I don’t completely understand Taycan Turbo S. I don’t get why they call it turbo. It’s a nice looking car though. I am amused that Pluto.tv is flooded with ads for cars starting at $78K. It’s free TV.
#8989
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
#8990
Lexus Test Driver
It's actually horrible. It needs TWO balance shafts that can seize and grenade the engine, the factory coolant was the infamous silicate free G12 that gels and also tends to allow corrosion, the belt system was known to blow tensioners, it was hard to get to stuff without service position etc etc....
Still would be totally worth it IMO, it's on my list of wanted cars
Still would be totally worth it IMO, it's on my list of wanted cars
#8993
Lexus Champion
ok i guess the reports aren't that exaggerated lol... and after watching this teardown vid and seeing how much needs to come off just to access simple things like the thermostat, as well as just the sheer number of little parts and bolts involved for everything make me glad i don't have one! the power output figures also are rather underwhelming for something that's 4.0 liters and 8 cylinders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEyEmmJcb7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEyEmmJcb7M
#8995
Super Moderator
Oh I didn't forget either of those things. But it's still too big to fit in the front, so they put it in the back. Remember, the Golf platform is a transverse mount. And while the VR6 design made it easy to fit a 6-cylinder between the shock towers, that doesn't mean you can mount another whole VR6 engine right in front of it.
#8996
Lexus Test Driver
Oh it's bad. It's like everything they did good on the W12 was just tossed in the trash for no reason, they could have just used the exact same accessory and coolant config with some extra stuff in the back for the balance system but I think they went weird since it simply HAD to fit in the Passat/B5 platform for pure bragging right as the only midsize car with an 8 cyl and AWD.
to my untrained eye at least, it seems like VW more than anyone is all about make it happen now and we'll just figure the rest out later
#8997
Lexus Champion
That VW won a comparison test with entry level luxury cars in 2002ish. I35 and ES300 tied for second place.
They loved the ES300 interior but the Infiniti was much more powerful. I had 2 I35s, pretty good cars. They looked great in their day.
They loved the ES300 interior but the Infiniti was much more powerful. I had 2 I35s, pretty good cars. They looked great in their day.
#8998
Lead Lap
If I'll give that W8 anything, it sounded wonderful. The automatic wagon I drove later made much more sense as a E-class wagon competitor on the cheap. The manual was just such a huge disappointment.