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Old 06-21-22 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Higher power stuff like eABC needs to be able to adjust violently and instantly so higher voltages naturally allow more effective and lighter motors and wire.

https://avtotachki.com/en/kak-rabota...ercedes-e-abc/

Lighter, smaller, faster and no central pump and a bunch of lines that gave the normal ABC system a rep for just being an endless leak-fest. Remains to be seen how often this system fails but at least it will be easier to fix since it's all contained in the shock unit. It's fully active and likely the best system in existence today since it can literally change all aspects of spring rate and compression and rebound in real time.

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Old 06-21-22 | 01:43 PM
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I have this is in my M340i and if I'm not in Sport Plus I can get 40 MPG easy which is excellent for a car with nearly 400 WHP. It's a great system.
Yeah new BMWs really have great mpg when compared to similar sized vehicles. I didn't know 340i can get that much. I think 45e is about high 40s. I wonder how yours looks over its lifespan. I took a look at mine and here is what it looks like. I've done a mix of everything, mainly Comfort, more *** off than on. So not very sure how much this system helps the mpg.

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Old 06-22-22 | 06:00 PM
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Yeah new BMWs really have great mpg when compared to similar sized vehicles. I didn't know 340i can get that much. I think 45e is about high 40s. I wonder how yours looks over its lifespan. I took a look at mine and here is what it looks like. I've done a mix of everything, mainly Comfort, more *** off than on. So not very sure how much this system helps the mpg.
I must say it's the best care I've had to date. I'm thinking of going G80 next but the gas is really getting out of hand here. It's nearly $8 per gallon for premium in the Bay Area. I drove to LA and was getting 38-40 per gallon. I used Comfort and ECO the whole way. In Eco when you drive around 20 MPH the battery takes over and you can coast for 15-20 Miles I believe on only the battery. It's pretty nice.
Old 06-28-22 | 07:37 AM
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So many great posts already.

Since Watts= Volts x Amps...
It appears anything done with 48V can also be done with 12V because the math works, and in theory it can but there is more to the equation.

There are huge benefits to increasing the voltage.
From equation above, increasing the voltage also decreases the required amps to make the same power in watts.

Several reasons why this is desirable such as are simpler, lighter, and less bulky components to just name a few.

Another BIG REASON for running "higher voltage/lower amps" for higher power applications is the design challenges.
Massive pulsing currents is an engineering nightmare. lol

Not practical to pulse large currents when they can UP THE VOLTAGE and adds more possibilities too.

Studying the Greats like Steinmetz, Tesla, Heavyside, Maxwell, etc to know why it works better, so much more to it.

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Old 06-28-22 | 10:07 AM
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But... Volt is also R.I. So P = R.I^2. Now what? If load is the same, how do we achieve higher power? Seems like increasing I is the right way which also increased by power of 2 not just linear. Lol.
Just messing with you. I have no knowledge about this stuff. Just remember some simple math.
Old 06-28-22 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
But... Volt is also R.I. So P = R.I^2. Now what? If load is the same, how do we achieve higher power? Seems like increasing I is the right way which also increased by power of 2 not just linear. Lol.
Just messing with you. I have no knowledge about this stuff. Just remember some simple math.
Messing with me is ok friend, it's just for fun.

Most of what's seen on Youtube by scientists is theory, they are good with electricity and have equations to describe it's behavior but almost nobody really understands it including me...

Supposedly I heard somewhere that Nicola Tesla called his AC motor a "whirlwind of the Aether".
Have no idea if he actually said that or not but it is profound to me for so many reasons. lol

Electrical designs(AC or DC motors, etc) requires the Volts & Amps to flow perfecty thru the Aether in time with eachother or engineering designs need to be considered because the design breaks if not done right and efficiency suffers greatly- here is where higher volts/lower amps seems to help a lot to balance both components IMO.

However sometimes the mismatch thru time for the flow of volts and amps is desired or needs corrected- so we have capacitors and inductors(for example) to deal with it.

There are many equations that deal with the affect of electricity but I think the "Greats" of the past are the ones who really understood it and everything else has been built on that.

For precision and performance many industrial machines run higher volts because of the benefits, performance, and working within the materials and design limits, etc.
All I have on that within scope of thread and just my theory so hopefully others have more to add, ... and yes I'm an "aetherist". lol

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Old 06-28-22 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
So many great posts already.

Since Watts= Volts x Amps...
It appears anything done with 48V can also be done with 12V because the math works, and in theory it can but there is more to the equation.

There are huge benefits to increasing the voltage.
From equation above, increasing the voltage also decreases the required amps to make the same power in watts.

Several reasons why this is desirable such as are simpler, lighter, and less bulky components to just name a few.

Another BIG REASON for running "higher voltage/lower amps" for higher power applications is the design challenges.
Massive pulsing currents is an engineering nightmare. lol

Not practical to pulse large currents when they can UP THE VOLTAGE and adds more possibilities too.

Studying the Greats like Steinmetz, Tesla, Heavyside, Maxwell, etc to know why it works better, so much more to it.
But uncontrollable inrush currents are fun! They make the lights flicker with the welder....
Old 06-28-22 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kense
I must say it's the best care I've had to date. I'm thinking of going G80 next but the gas is really getting out of hand here. It's nearly $8 per gallon for premium in the Bay Area. I drove to LA and was getting 38-40 per gallon. I used Comfort and ECO the whole way. In Eco when you drive around 20 MPH the battery takes over and you can coast for 15-20 Miles I believe on only the battery. It's pretty nice.
This is my best vehicle too. Everything is just right and the mpg just tops it off. I don’t know if it’s really the 48v system but I was eyeing the mb forum and their GLE 2.0 average around high 10s low 20s. I can not complain. I should do ECO on long distances for… the environment.
Old 06-28-22 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
Most of what's seen on Youtube by scientists is theory, they are good with electricity and have equations to describe it's behavior but almost nobody really understands it including me...
i like this guy on electricity.

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Thank you for posting that up.
This guy is very good and I have seen some of his videos.
I watched both the videos you posted last night, enjoyed it!

What I like about him is he is not afraid to go against "Mainstream" group think and he gets some hate for it, that's for sure.
Electricity and the Aether(which many don't think exists) are intertwined and Nicola Tesla & Maxwell knew this.

Guy in video above smashes many misconceptions that are still taught today by Phd's to their students.
Also interesting that many scientists, while agreeing on the equations of what we witness, don't agree on how it actually works. haha

Anyway, higher volts & lower amps helps a design that requires a pulsing current situation like a servo motor, just my opinion.

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