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Old 06-21-22 | 09:23 AM
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I really love the looks of the LX, but some of the packaging and options decisions that they made are certainly perplexing. If I were in the market, I'd definitely be driving them all before making a decision.
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Interesting comparison. I wonder if actual buyers would really get into the details.

The justification could be as simple as “Neighbor so and so already bought an Escalade, so I’m going with LX”

Anyways, I agree with Escalade as numero uno.

You could do better Lexus.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Seeing that most of the people who get these will drive them 3-5 years or less and trade them, reliability isn't a big factor for the consumer base. If you want a truly incredible vehicle with lots of incredible features (magnetotheorlogical dampers, etc) the risk of costly repairs comes with that territory.

@AJT123 though, would you say your GM SUV has been reliable? The Escalade is just a fancy version of that. Has a tried and true V8 that should be more long term reliable than the turbo 6 in the LX...

I see LOTS of old Escalades on the road, they have to be at least mostly reliable...
In terms of will it get you there and back? And can I keep neglecting it? Absolutely. Little stupid things are broken but, yes it has the 5.3 which has been proven. Still drives and shifts fine, nicely actually. It's pleasant to drive. The engine in the Caddy is better for sure but all that fancy GM stuff just won't last like it does in a Lexus. The Yukon seat heaters are broken, CD player, gauge cluster, etc all toast. But it'll start right up and a/c will freeze you to death parked there before you even get going.

I absolutely would not buy the equivalent of what I bought in my 200 series, now. I don't think the 3.4tt it will be reliable like a simple V8 either.

And I am in total agreement my pick would be the Caddy, not even close.

And yes, that gen (GMT800) are among GMs best they've made.
Old 06-21-22 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by UZ214
what you didn't like with the LX? I went to test drive but I can't find one locally.
Looking at your list of cars... you may like it. It's just not for me... IMO though, you should try something on the other side to experience the difference. You may not want to come back the "safe side".
Old 06-21-22 | 11:56 AM
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I keep thinking the new Sequoia should have been Lexified and it still can be and should have been the new LX. However, I'm not sure it can affectively compete as well since the packaging of the 2nd and 3rd row is so bizarre.

Let the 4runner and GX twins maintain the offroad creds. Not every SUV needs to have offroad cred and capabilities.
Old 06-21-22 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by situman
I keep thinking the new Sequoia should have been Lexified and it still can be and should have been the new LX. However, I'm not sure it can affectively compete as well since the packaging of the 2nd and 3rd row is so bizarre.

Let the 4runner and GX twins maintain the offroad creds. Not every SUV needs to have offroad cred and capabilities.
An LX does. It has legit heritage and capability.
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I tired the germans, in the mid 2000s, X5;, 545i and a s4, all great cars but there was always something breaking. and yes I usually keep cars more than 4-5 years and drive them uo and down the states. I do like the x7 and GLS (v8) versions of them
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Looking at your list of cars... you may like it. It's just not for me... IMO though, you should try something on the other side to experience the difference. You may not want to come back the "safe side".
Old 06-21-22 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by UZ214
I tired the germans, in the mid 2000s, X5;, 545i and a s4, all great cars but there was always something breaking. and yes I usually keep cars more than 4-5 years and drive them uo and down the states. I do like the x7 and GLS (v8) versions of them
That was pretty much the worst time to own a German car from a reliability standpoint. All three big German brands were at their worst.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
An LX does. It has legit heritage and capability.
Uhm... I would love to see a picture of a new LX in general off roading. Even GX, it's very unusual to see a new one off roading. Most the drivers around here... are females. More like an expensive minivan.
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Uhm... I would love to see a picture of a new LX in general off roading. Even GX, it's very unusual to see a new one off roading. Most the drivers around here... are females. More like an expensive minivan.
The approach and departure angles aren't anything special anyways. No doubt the LX is tough but that chin is going to suffer some damage.
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For clarity, are we talking about off-roading/trail/“overlanding” and rock crawling as the same thing?

I see LX as the new “BROLander” vehicle. Luxurious and big enough to carry “Williams Sonoma” kitchen 😄
Old 06-21-22 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
That was pretty much the worst time to own a German car from a reliability standpoint. All three big German brands were at their worst.
Exactly, its dramatically different today.
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No surprise with the outcome. The Lexus wasn't designed and engineered for that type of comparison.
Old 06-21-22 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Wallie3145
No surprise with the outcome. The Lexus wasn't designed and engineered for that type of comparison.
Which is one of its biggest problems.
Old 06-21-22 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
Uhm... I would love to see a picture of a new LX in general off roading. Even GX, it's very unusual to see a new one off roading. Most the drivers around here... are females. More like an expensive minivan.
It's a small number but people off road these, trust me. Many brand new. I bought mine used but have gone mudding countless times and plan to go desert running with it. I see threads all the time on MUD where people with brand new LXs are boulder crawling in Moab.

LX has heritage it has always been a capable truck, unbreakable. I like that they are keeping with that tradition. It's basically the only Lexus that hasn't changed. It needs a V8 though.

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