2022 Cars - plastic fantastic
07-14-22, 11:05 AM
#136
Lexus Test Driver
Like Striker said, most time these issues occur when the car is reaching the 100k mark, and at that point people simply live with the issues. I just paid $3,400 to fix a very minor oil leak on my E70, which required dropping the subframe - how many people would pay that on a 10 year old car?
That's a punch in the wallet.
Did you at least make the most of the repair and replace some other stuff that may need it while it was all apart?
That would've been a good time to replace the rack if needed and other stuff.
07-14-22, 11:15 AM
#137
07-14-22, 03:05 PM
#138
Lexus Fanatic
Like Striker said, most time these issues occur when the car is reaching the 100k mark, and at that point people simply live with the issues. I just paid $3,400 to fix a very minor oil leak on my E70, which required dropping the subframe - how many people would pay that on a 10 year old car?
MOST of the members here have cars 100k miles or older, where are all the failures? There may be wear characteristics that people live with, but they’re still driving their cars and it’s not costing them money. Cars wear and get sloppy as they age, especially if they are poorly maintained. In any event, if people don’t maintain their cars that’s on them. Change the oil in a Lexus with a chain and it will run well for hundreds of thousands of miles. Change the timing belt in a Lexus with a belt and it will be the same thing, it will just cost you $1,000 every 90k miles.
At the end of the day, this really isn’t that big a deal. If you want a car to last a long time, maintain it, and I think it’s pretty clear that the chances of a catastrophic failure are more likely with a poorly maintained car with a belt than one with a chain.
07-14-22, 06:05 PM
#139
As for me looking at it as someone who changes cars every few years, then why would I care about a belt or a chain? I would never have to deal with either. Plus I own a 19 year old Lexus with 220,000 miles myself right now…with a 13 year old timing belt because it makes no financial sense to change it
MOST of the members here have cars 100k miles or older, where are all the failures? There may be wear characteristics that people live with, but they’re still driving their cars and it’s not costing them money. Cars wear and get sloppy as they age, especially if they are poorly maintained. In any event, if people don’t maintain their cars that’s on them. Change the oil in a Lexus with a chain and it will run well for hundreds of thousands of miles. Change the timing belt in a Lexus with a belt and it will be the same thing, it will just cost you $1,000 every 90k miles.
At the end of the day, this really isn’t that big a deal. If you want a car to last a long time, maintain it, and I think it’s pretty clear that the chances of a catastrophic failure are more likely with a poorly maintained car with a belt than one with a chain.
At the end of the day, this really isn’t that big a deal. If you want a car to last a long time, maintain it, and I think it’s pretty clear that the chances of a catastrophic failure are more likely with a poorly maintained car with a belt than one with a chain.
07-15-22, 06:37 AM
#140
Lexus Fanatic
Well, there are two sides to that coin. For people that neglect their cars and let them become all sloppy, a catastrophic failure is certainly more likely with a belt. But for those of us who maintain their cars meticulously, a sloppy running engine is unacceptable, and any type of timing chain work is going to be far more expensive than a timing belt job.
A BMW V8 is just not an example of a good car. That engine is just not a long lasting engine.
07-15-22, 07:43 AM
#141
If you maintain a good car with a chain, that won’t happen. It happens when oil changes are stretched and missed. For instance that’s why my mechanic told me not to stretch oil changes in my LS460 to 10k miles and to keep doing them at 5K regardless of what Lexus says. I guarantee that LS460 if the maintenance is kept up, will run great with 250,000 miles on it with no chain issues.
A BMW V8 is just not an example of a good car. That engine is just not a long lasting engine.
A BMW V8 is just not an example of a good car. That engine is just not a long lasting engine.
07-15-22, 08:10 AM
#142
Lexus Fanatic
07-15-22, 10:37 AM
#143
Lexus Fanatic
If you maintain a good car with a chain, that won’t happen. It happens when oil changes are stretched and missed. For instance that’s why my mechanic told me not to stretch oil changes in my LS460 to 10k miles and to keep doing them at 5K regardless of what Lexus says. I guarantee that LS460 if the maintenance is kept up, will run great with 250,000 miles on it with no chain issues.
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07-15-22, 12:43 PM
#144
Lexus Fanatic
There are many vids on Youtube covering timing chain issues. Maybe it's not as common as needing a timing belt but doing a timing belt is far easier and cheaper.
07-15-22, 01:31 PM
#145
Lexus Fanatic
07-16-22, 04:37 PM
#147
07-16-22, 04:45 PM
#148
And this just goes to show how important the proper maintenance is. When you watch the guy doing the job, look inside the engine, no corrosion from mixing wrong coolants, no particles inside the coolant, no leaks or seepage.
And also, this job demonstrates what I've been saying in many other threads - the 3UZ is by far the superior designed to the original 1UZ and its revisions. The timing job is so simple, as well as any other work on this engine. No stupid clutch fan, no stupid web of coolant and vacuum hoses, no EGR, no distributors and spark plug wires. The same job on the original LS400 is far more difficult and frustrating. The perfect balance of simplicity and sophistication, best engine ever.
And also, this job demonstrates what I've been saying in many other threads - the 3UZ is by far the superior designed to the original 1UZ and its revisions. The timing job is so simple, as well as any other work on this engine. No stupid clutch fan, no stupid web of coolant and vacuum hoses, no EGR, no distributors and spark plug wires. The same job on the original LS400 is far more difficult and frustrating. The perfect balance of simplicity and sophistication, best engine ever.
07-17-22, 01:34 AM
#149
Lexus Champion
As for me looking at it as someone who changes cars every few years, then why would I care about a belt or a chain? I would never have to deal with either. Plus I own a 19 year old Lexus with 220,000 miles myself right now…with a 13 year old timing belt because it makes no financial sense to change it
MOST of the members here have cars 100k miles or older, where are all the failures? There may be wear characteristics that people live with, but they’re still driving their cars and it’s not costing them money. Cars wear and get sloppy as they age, especially if they are poorly maintained. In any event, if people don’t maintain their cars that’s on them. Change the oil in a Lexus with a chain and it will run well for hundreds of thousands of miles. Change the timing belt in a Lexus with a belt and it will be the same thing, it will just cost you $1,000 every 90k miles.
At the end of the day, this really isn’t that big a deal. If you want a car to last a long time, maintain it, and I think it’s pretty clear that the chances of a catastrophic failure are more likely with a poorly maintained car with a belt than one with a chain.
MOST of the members here have cars 100k miles or older, where are all the failures? There may be wear characteristics that people live with, but they’re still driving their cars and it’s not costing them money. Cars wear and get sloppy as they age, especially if they are poorly maintained. In any event, if people don’t maintain their cars that’s on them. Change the oil in a Lexus with a chain and it will run well for hundreds of thousands of miles. Change the timing belt in a Lexus with a belt and it will be the same thing, it will just cost you $1,000 every 90k miles.
At the end of the day, this really isn’t that big a deal. If you want a car to last a long time, maintain it, and I think it’s pretty clear that the chances of a catastrophic failure are more likely with a poorly maintained car with a belt than one with a chain.
07-17-22, 01:37 AM
#150
Lexus Champion
If you maintain a good car with a chain, that won’t happen. It happens when oil changes are stretched and missed. For instance that’s why my mechanic told me not to stretch oil changes in my LS460 to 10k miles and to keep doing them at 5K regardless of what Lexus says. I guarantee that LS460 if the maintenance is kept up, will run great with 250,000 miles on it with no chain issues.
A BMW V8 is just not an example of a good car. That engine is just not a long lasting engine.
A BMW V8 is just not an example of a good car. That engine is just not a long lasting engine.