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Old 07-07-22 | 01:45 PM
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The ultra-expensive VW never made it past the prototype stage








The Phaeton is one of the most interesting Volkswagens and may be a better story than any of the brand’s most iconic models. The massively expensive luxury sedan lasted just a few model years in North America, but VW had plans to update the car for a new generation. The automaker just pulled back the curtain on the Phaeton D2, a luxury car that never made it past the prototype stage.

Volkswagen only sold a few thousand of the original cars, likely due to their extreme complexity and price tags. Here in the United States, the “base” V8-powered car came with a $65,600 price tag, and the W12 variant started at nearly $96,000. Adjusted for inflation, those totals come to $103,534 and $150,882, respectively. Ouch. Six-figure price tags hurt, even when they’re sitting on an exotic window sticker, but it’s unheard of on a Volkswagen.

The car was so expensive and complicated that it was discontinued in the U.S. after 2006. Internationally, however, VW updated the Phaeton for several years afterward with features such as a touchscreen infotainment system and advanced driver aids.

The drivable prototype you see here (above right, next to the older production model) was originally part of a group of four concept cars. The D2 car got the nod but never reached production, thanks to VW’s decision to fully electrify its lineup.

This Phaeton is around the same size as a new Audi A8, though Volkswagen didn’t elaborate on powertrain or performance details. Given the automaker’s shifting environmental priorities at the time of its conception, it’s unlikely the car would be fitted with a W12. Still, the V8 or the Europe-only V10 TDI from the first-generation Phaeton would have made a splash.

Regarding styling, the car follows the evolution of VW’s other models from the period. The rounded shapes and sometimes goofy-looking lines from early-2000s VWs were replaced by sharper, more upscale styling and design. Inside, the Phaeton D2 has a large curved display that ended up being launched in the 2018 Touareg.

It’s easy to see how this car draws a line to new Volkswagens with its tech and design. Beyond the curved display, the touch-sensitive controls on the Phaeton D2’s steering wheel can now be found in the new GTI and Golf R, as well as other models. It’s impossible to know how the Phaeton would look today if it had continued in production, but VW could always pull out a similarly luxurious car to ride on its electrified platform.
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Old 07-07-22 | 01:52 PM
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If you squint your eyes, it passes for the refreshed LS460.
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Outside of the grill placement, it looks pretty damn good. It also looks current. I don't know when they were supposed to introduce this, but the touchscreen resolution and placement, digital instrumentation, and a few other interior things make it seem like it would have been a 2019 or current car honestly.

Edit.... Reading it again, it says no longer sold since 2006 in the states but no clue about in Europe. They could have been selling the 1st gen up till last year for all I know. Lol!

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it's certainly nice but a premium VW vs an audi is a tough sell. i do still love executive sedans like this but i'm a minority!
long rear doors and square proportions...tasty!
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Ultimate stealth wealth car right there. Really nice!
Old 07-09-22 | 06:37 PM
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Looks like a blown up Ford Fusion lol. The interior is very nice, but is it really from 2016? Looks like the same infotainment system in the newest Audi's like the E-Tron.
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passat and an A8 had a baby
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I was in Mexico when the original vehicle came out and VW is a very popular brand there. I remember when I first moved there that I was told many times that a sign of upward mobility was being able to afford a VW Jetta. However, people that I knew that could afford something on the order of a Phaeton felt it was being very forced, "You like VW, well why not this vehicle?" The response was there were always better options, usually Audi, BMW or Mercedes were the main ones that came up. This was one vehicle that I still cannot figure out its existence.
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I hate this forum software. Meant to respond to the Macan thread and somehow I scrolled down too far and it posted here.
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well since we're here now, Striker when are you gonna pick up a W12 phaeton
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The Pheaton, such a beautiful and misunderstood sedan…….
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
well since we're here now, Striker when are you gonna pick up a W12 phaeton

A lot easier said than done. Very few Phaeton V8s were sold in the U.S. when it was offered.....and even fewer W12s.
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
well since we're here now, Striker when are you gonna pick up a W12 phaeton
I may at some point, there are 3 for sale near me but I would rather buy all the W12 A8s first
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Originally Posted by Carfan94
The Pheaton, such a beautiful and misunderstood sedan…….
it's probably the best example of why toyota was smart to establish lexus as a standalone brand

looking at the phaeton it's easy to think audi A8 but that car was actually more bentley than audi! that platform (D1) was used on the contintental and flying spur but never any audi

as for beautiful? i think we think so because we know what it is, but it looks like a big passat lol
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
well since we're here now, Striker when are you gonna pick up a W12 phaeton
Do it!!! It would look cool next to the period correct Golf he's working on right now.



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