Rivian provided me with a binding contract to purchase for $100 so I get the full $7,500 once I take delivery next yearish

 

Initial IRS guidance is out.

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/plug-...30-and-irc-30d

My initial read is that the impact for now is mostly on non-US manufactured vehicles purchased after today. They are out, although transition rules allow relief for foreign manufactured vehicles delivered after today provided a binding agreement was in place prior to today.

For US manufactured vehicles, even those purchased after today, the current rules largely otherwise apply until 2023 including the continuation of the 200k cap so you can’t get relief on those vehicles until next year, but then the MSRP and income caps apply and later the battery sourcing rules kick in as well.

Updated information for consumers as of August 16, 2022

New Final Assembly Requirement

If you are interested in claiming the tax credit available under section 30D (EV credit) for purchasing a new electric vehicle after August 16, 2022 (which is the date that the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 was enacted), a tax credit is generally available only for qualifying electric vehicles for which final assembly occurred in North America(final assembly requirement).

The Department of Energy has provided a list of Model Year 2022 and early Model Year 2023 electric vehicles that may meet the final assembly requirement. Because some models are built in multiple locations, there may be vehicles on the Department of Energy list that do not meet the final assembly requirement in all circumstances.

To identify the manufacture location for a specific vehicle, please search the vehicle identification number (VIN) of the vehicle on the VIN Decoder website for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). The website, including instructions, can be found at VIN Decoder.

Transition Rule for Vehicles Purchased before August 16, 2022

If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying electric vehicle before August 16, 2022, but do not take possession of the vehicle until on or after August 16, 2022 (for example, because the vehicle has not been delivered), you may claim the EV credit based on the rules that were in effect before August 16, 2022. The final assembly requirement does not apply before August 16, 2022.

Vehicles Purchased and Delivered between August 16, 2022 and December 31, 2022

If you purchase and take possession of a qualifying electric vehicle after August 16, 2022 and before January 1, 2023, aside from the final assembly requirement, the rules in effect before the enactment of the Inflation Reduction Act for the EV credit apply (including those involving the manufacturing caps on vehicles sold). If you entered into a written binding contract to purchase a new qualifying vehicle before August 16, 2022, see the rule above.

What Is a Written Binding Contract?

In general, a written contract is binding if it is enforceable under State law and does not limit damages to a specified amount (for example, by use of a liquidated damages provision or the forfeiture of a deposit). While the enforceability of a contract under State law is a facts-and-circumstances determination to be made under relevant State law, if a customer has made a significant non-refundable deposit or down payment, it is an indication of a binding contract. For tax purposes in general, a contract provision that limits damages to an amount equal to at least 5 percent of the total contract price is not treated as limiting damages to a specified amount. For example, if a customer has made a non-refundable deposit or down payment of 5 percent of the total contract price, it is an indication of a binding contract. A contract is binding even if subject to a condition, as long as the condition is not within the control of either party. A contract will continue to be binding if the parties make insubstantial changes in its terms and conditions.

Future Guidance

To reduce carbon emissions and invest in the energy security of the United States, the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 significantly changes the eligibility rules for tax credits available for clean vehicles beginning in 2023. The Internal Revenue Service and the Department of the Treasury will post information and request comments from the public on various existing and new tax credit incentives in the coming weeks and months. Please look for updates on IRS.gov and other announcements from the Administration

Pre-Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 Information

The information below pre-dates the enactment of the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 but, subject to the final assembly rule described above, remains relevant for qualifying vehicles purchased and delivered prior to January 1, 2023.

Internal Revenue Code Section 30D provides a credit for Qualified Plug-in Electric Drive Motor Vehicles including passenger vehicles and light trucks.

For vehicles acquired after December 31, 2009, the credit is equal to $2,500 plus, for a vehicle which draws propulsion energy from a battery with at least 5 kilowatt hours of capacity, $417, plus an additional $417 for each kilowatt hour of battery capacity in excess of 5 kilowatt hours. The total amount of the credit allowed for a vehicle is limited to $7,500.

The credit begins to phase out for a manufacturer’s vehicles when at least 200,000 qualifying vehicles have been sold for use in the United States (determined on a cumulative basis for sales after December 31, 2009). For additional information see Notice 2009-89.

Section 30D originally was enacted in the Energy Improvement and Extension Act of 2008. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 amended section 30D effective for vehicles acquired after December 31, 2009. Section 30D was also modified by the American Taxpayer Relief Act (ATRA) 2013 for certain 2 or 3 wheeled vehicles acquired after December 31, 2011 and before January 1, 2014.

The vehicles must be acquired for use or lease and not for resale. Additionally, the original use of the vehicle must commence with the taxpayer and the vehicle must be used predominantly in the United States. For purposes of the 30D credit, a vehicle is not considered acquired prior to the time when title to the vehicle passes to the taxpayer under state law.

Notice 2009-89 applies to vehicles acquired subsequent to December 31, 2009 and provides procedures that a vehicle manufacturer may use if it chooses to certify that a vehicle meets certain requirements that must be satisfied to claim the Qualified Plug-in Electric Drive Motor Vehicle Credit and the amount of the credit allowable with respect to that vehicle

Credit Amounts for Qualified Vehicles Acquired After December 31, 2009

Qualified Plug-In Electric Drive Motor Vehicle Credit (IRC 30D) Phase Out

The qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicle credit phases out for a manufacturer’s vehicles over the one-year period beginning with the second calendar quarter after the calendar quarter in which at least 200,000 qualifying vehicles manufactured by that manufacturer have been sold for use in the United States (determined on a cumulative basis for sales after December 31, 2009) (“phase-out period”). Qualifying vehicles manufactured by that manufacturer are eligible for 50 percent of the credit if acquired in the first two quarters of the phase-out period and 25 percent of the credit if acquired in the third or fourth quarter of the phase-out period. Vehicles manufactured by that manufacturer are not eligible for a credit if acquired after the phase-out period.

Quarterly Sales by Manufacturer

 

According to the article directly below your post, the contract is not considered binding under the new rules unless it includes a nonrefundable deposit of more than 5% of the total contract price.

 

From what I've seen, the bill is worded poorly enough that an argument could be made that 10% of the initial deposit may be sufficient to quality for the credit. I'll just put it in there when I get the car and see what sticks

 

There are multiple threads on i4talk and most were not successful to have dealer come up with a binding contract. Even BMW released a statement that was kind of vague and no guidance on how to secure tax credit. It's already too late anyway.

 

just read this article...

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/22/11180...on-act-climate

bill is so convoluted, car dealers will not be able to tell consumers whether they get a rebate or not. all they'll be able to say is you might and go see your accountant.

the big winner could be tesla since they can make a lot of vehicles in the u.s. others, not so much.

and if tesla gets to take advantage, they'll just raise their prices and reap more profits. great job, government.

 

Any time the government gets involved. It just gets more and more expensive.

 

post of the day.

same for 'student loans' (gee, schools just raised tuition prices), and so many other things where govt distorts markets.

 

But it will at least reduce Inflation right?! Lol

Imagine printing trillions of dollars to cause inflation problem and now printing Billions more to try to solve it. Where is the media and journalists to call this stuff out? Nobody know what is even in this Bill yet Billions of dollars will be flushed in the toilet. But what does it matter - just continue increasing taxes.

 

*Laffer curve raises head* Yeah, I'm sure more taxes will work.......definitely not doing everything in my power to avoid nearly all of them out of spite on my end.

 

Keep on topic of the tax credit rules. I don't feel like mass deleting a bunch of inflation posts again.

 

Ford coincidentally just raised the price of their F150 lightning (57 miles of towing range) by $8,500. I always laugh knowing that these Consoooomers are taking out 96 month loans to impress themselves.

 

Well the tax credit rules are from the Inflation Reduction Act so how is inflation discussion not relevant here.

 

Take the Alfa being upset at Dodge for the rebadge thread. Just because it's about Dodge and Alfa doesn't mean I can post about any Stellantis car. Also doesn't help that all of the general inflation topics will inevitably turn political.