2023 Lexus ES Gets a Few Updates In Europe
09-01-22, 04:38 PM
#31
Lexus Fanatic
I've driven both.....you can have the current one.
I will admit, however, that the 4Gen ES, good as it was, was not perfect. It had a occasional touch-and-go problem in the ECU for the engine-transmission computer that messed up engine response and shifting in the lower gears. A factory reflash was supposed to address that.
Last edited by mmarshall; 09-01-22 at 04:43 PM.
09-01-22, 05:00 PM
#33
Lexus Fanatic
I've driven both.....you can have the current one.
I will admit, however, that the 4Gen ES, good as it was, was not perfect. It had a occasional touch-and-go problem in the ECU for the engine-transmission computer that messed up engine response and shifting in the lower gears. A factory reflash was supposed to address that.
I will admit, however, that the 4Gen ES, good as it was, was not perfect. It had a occasional touch-and-go problem in the ECU for the engine-transmission computer that messed up engine response and shifting in the lower gears. A factory reflash was supposed to address that.
I have this car lol, I appreciate that you drove it once 18 years ago, but I have owned one for 19 years. It was an excellent car, BUT that throttle issue was a huge issue that really affected drivability and you had to learn how to apply throttle in a way that would make it as smooth as you could, and in some emergency situations it could be dangerous
The modern ES drives very similarly to this car, just much less sloppily. This idea that this generation ES rides so much better than a modern ES is in your head. My 2010 ES was a better car to drive, and the current ones are even moreso. One of my agents has a 2018 ES and it too rides and drives extremely well.
Last edited by SW17LS; 09-01-22 at 05:05 PM.
09-01-22, 05:31 PM
#34
Lexus Fanatic
The factory reflash didn't work, it was just something you had to live with in that car.
I have this car lol, I appreciate that you drove it once 18 years ago, but I have owned one for 19 years. It was an excellent car, BUT that throttle issue was a huge issue that really affected drivability and you had to learn how to apply throttle in a way that would make it as smooth as you could, and in some emergency situations it could be dangerous
The modern ES drives very similarly to this car, just much less sloppily. This idea that this generation ES rides so much better than a modern ES is in your head. My 2010 ES was a better car to drive, and the current ones are even moreso. One of my agents has a 2018 ES and it too rides and drives extremely well.
I have this car lol, I appreciate that you drove it once 18 years ago, but I have owned one for 19 years. It was an excellent car, BUT that throttle issue was a huge issue that really affected drivability and you had to learn how to apply throttle in a way that would make it as smooth as you could, and in some emergency situations it could be dangerous
The modern ES drives very similarly to this car, just much less sloppily. This idea that this generation ES rides so much better than a modern ES is in your head. My 2010 ES was a better car to drive, and the current ones are even moreso. One of my agents has a 2018 ES and it too rides and drives extremely well.
IMO, they both kinda appeal to different generations of buyers/demographics. I think the new one is far more appealing to a younger middle ago person…the old one is for older folks.
lastly. I have 20 years experience with Toyota/Lexus zig zag shifters…they are amazing. I OWN
three cars with them and one with a sort of zig zag. They are far more classy and better to operate than the forward/back crap they use to today 
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 09-01-22 at 05:40 PM.
09-01-22, 05:43 PM
#35
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09-01-22, 06:25 PM
#37
Lexus Fanatic
I bought that ES when I was 22 lol
The great thing about the modern cars is the suspensions are such that they preserve the riding comfort while being way more dynamic.
The great thing about the modern cars is the suspensions are such that they preserve the riding comfort while being way more dynamic.
09-01-22, 10:35 PM
#38
I have owned 3 generations of the ES. They are just no nonsense, no fill and cheap to own cars and gives you the basics of a comfortable relaxing drive at a value price point for its size.
If Lexus starts mucking around with that formula, it’s no longer an ES.
If Lexus starts mucking around with that formula, it’s no longer an ES.
09-02-22, 06:43 AM
#39
Lexus Fanatic
Agreed, they are great cars for what they are. They're not a replacement for the LS though.
09-02-22, 06:57 AM
#40
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09-02-22, 07:12 AM
#41
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For me, I had a budget and I wanted a luxury car, and I didnt want a little C Class or 3 Series, and the ES gave me a big comfortable car so it was perfect.
09-02-22, 07:13 AM
#42
People always have to tamper with things that are good. They call it progress. I say it's change for the sake of change and not always wise.
09-02-22, 07:25 AM
#43
Lexus Fanatic
Exactly. The ES is a straight forward, traditional luxury car for reasonable price everything considered. If they re-invent it, I buy the last one of this generation and "drive it into the sunset."
People always have to tamper with things that are good. They call it progress. I say it's change for the sake of change and not always wise.
People always have to tamper with things that are good. They call it progress. I say it's change for the sake of change and not always wise.
For instance if I were buying today I would have a hard time choosing the ES over a Genesis G80 for similar money because the G80 is a proper RWD/AWD layout, obviously lots of people don't care and buy the ES, but I think those people would still buy it if it were on the GA-L platform as long as its selling proposition were still intact.
09-02-22, 10:24 AM
#44
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If they can deliver a RWD/AWD ES on the Crown platform and keep the easygoing nature and hold the line on price, then that just makes the ES better.
09-02-22, 10:36 AM
#45
Exactly. The ES is a straight forward, traditional luxury car for reasonable price everything considered. If they re-invent it, I buy the last one of this generation and "drive it into the sunset."
People always have to tamper with things that are good. They call it progress. I say it's change for the sake of change and not always wise.
People always have to tamper with things that are good. They call it progress. I say it's change for the sake of change and not always wise.
But at its core, it is comfy, large, affordable, luxury sedan.
And that is why it outsells G80 by factor of 10.