more buttons in the future again?
09-10-22, 10:30 AM
#1
Lexus Fanatic
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more buttons in the future again?
maybe ive is just too old to appreciate the buttonless trend. 
Jony Ive, the famed former Apple designer, said at Vox Media’s Code conference recently that he’s not a fan of vehicles that use too many touchscreen controls. They are an example of an interface “being driven inappropriately by something like multitouch.”
Indeed, automakers have been transitioning away from button-filled interiors towards screens for some time. Brands like Tesla are even attempting to build interiors completely devoid of physical buttons, which has been a controversial move. Now, though, Ive believes that the trend is shifting away from screens.
“Potentially, the pendulum may swing a little to have interfaces and products that are more tactile and more engaging physically,” Ive said, per the Verge. When asked if he was talking about vehicles, he responded, “for example.”
Ive actually isn’t alone in this opinion. Designers from prominent automakers are now resisting the dominance of touchscreens. Thierry Métroz, DS’s chief designer, recently said that his team’s target is to “delete all the screens in our future interiors,” calling them “not very sexy.”
Matthias Junghanns, the head of BMW i interior design, agreed, saying that he hoped that automakers would leave “these black glass surface” behind soon. Conny Blommé, the manager of Polestar‘s interior design department, also recently publicly said that screens have peaked.
Ive, meanwhile, may be able to put his opinions about touchscreens to the test, having recently signed on to work with Ferrari on its first electric vehicle. He is also reportedly advising on the Apple Car project.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/09/pe...gner-jony-ive/
Pendulum May Swing Back Towards Physical Buttons, Says Famed Ex-Apple Designer Jony Ive
BY SEBASTIEN BELL | POSTED ONSEPTEMBER 8, 2022 It’s a common complaint among critics that vehicle interiors have too few buttons and too many features require the use of a touchscreen. And yet, automakers seem eager to put more screens in and pull more buttons out of their vehicles. That trend may soon change, though.Jony Ive, the famed former Apple designer, said at Vox Media’s Code conference recently that he’s not a fan of vehicles that use too many touchscreen controls. They are an example of an interface “being driven inappropriately by something like multitouch.”
Indeed, automakers have been transitioning away from button-filled interiors towards screens for some time. Brands like Tesla are even attempting to build interiors completely devoid of physical buttons, which has been a controversial move. Now, though, Ive believes that the trend is shifting away from screens.
“Potentially, the pendulum may swing a little to have interfaces and products that are more tactile and more engaging physically,” Ive said, per the Verge. When asked if he was talking about vehicles, he responded, “for example.”
Ive actually isn’t alone in this opinion. Designers from prominent automakers are now resisting the dominance of touchscreens. Thierry Métroz, DS’s chief designer, recently said that his team’s target is to “delete all the screens in our future interiors,” calling them “not very sexy.”
Matthias Junghanns, the head of BMW i interior design, agreed, saying that he hoped that automakers would leave “these black glass surface” behind soon. Conny Blommé, the manager of Polestar‘s interior design department, also recently publicly said that screens have peaked.
Ive, meanwhile, may be able to put his opinions about touchscreens to the test, having recently signed on to work with Ferrari on its first electric vehicle. He is also reportedly advising on the Apple Car project.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/09/pe...gner-jony-ive/
09-10-22, 10:39 AM
#2
Lexus Test Driver
Yeah that's what the youngsters want everyone to think but us older folks already seen all kinds of "trendy" things already.
I'm no so easily impressed anymore. lol
Now you're talking my language. lol
Gimme my buttons and switches.
I'm no so easily impressed anymore. lol
Jony Ive, the famed former Apple designer, said at Vox Media’s Code conference recently that he’s not a fan of vehicles that use too many touchscreen controls. They are an example of an interface “being driven inappropriately by something like multitouch.”
Gimme my buttons and switches.
Last edited by Margate330; 09-10-22 at 10:54 AM.
09-10-22, 10:58 AM
#3
Pole Position
Jonny Ive's eventual drive for obsessive thinness at all costs created some massive functionality compromises in some otherwise excellent Apple products. As much as him and Jobs were key to Apple's success, I don't know he's the guy I'd look to for thought leadership on usability any more.
09-10-22, 11:04 AM
#4
Lexus Test Driver
Jonny Ive's eventual drive for obsessive thinness at all costs created some massive functionality compromises in some otherwise excellent Apple products. As much as him and Jobs were key to Apple's success, I don't know he's the guy I'd look to for thought leadership on usability any more.
You have a big screen?
Did you get buttons and switches or is everything integrated in a tablet style display?
Like to hear your thoughts on it plz.
09-10-22, 11:07 AM
#5
Pole Position
see Bitkahuna's new thread on screen orientation! In short, I think I like the screen the way it is. I think it works better than a large horizontal screen would work in my specific vehicle.
09-10-22, 11:24 AM
#6
A balanced mix of buttons and screen menus is ideal, IMO. Depends entirely on the UX design of the screen software, of course. Some are better than others. But i personally like having physical buttons for HVAC and volume. I feel i touch those the most - everything else is just once in awhile, and navigation is usually done by the speech commands.
09-10-22, 01:10 PM
#7
Lexus Champion
Physical controls lend a sense of connection to the car and a way to add distinction on a higher end product via feel and feedback on top of outright materials and shape. They are also faster and can be used blind and easily while in motion.
A screen is a screen. A $25k car feels the same to interact with as a 250k one. Use the controls in a Bentley vs a ford and you can really enjoy just idly using the vent pull on the former. The ford likely benefits from the screen so you don't have to feel how cheap the controls are
A screen is a screen. A $25k car feels the same to interact with as a 250k one. Use the controls in a Bentley vs a ford and you can really enjoy just idly using the vent pull on the former. The ford likely benefits from the screen so you don't have to feel how cheap the controls are
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09-10-22, 02:06 PM
#9
Lexus Fanatic
They can do whatever they like….just don’t bring back that awful remote touch interface if it’s Lexus
And what exactly does Johnny Ivy know about car interiors anyway
And what exactly does Johnny Ivy know about car interiors anyway
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 09-10-22 at 04:22 PM.
09-10-22, 04:12 PM
#10
Lexus Fanatic
Of course it will...
09-10-22, 11:07 PM
#11
Lexus Test Driver
What manufacturers are going back to buttons? I know of none. It's just more and more screens.
My prediction is buttons will be a thing of the past. Trends take priority over safety. Plus, whatever Tesla does, everyone else is going to copy. This pattern has been taking place for years and is just getting going.
My prediction is buttons will be a thing of the past. Trends take priority over safety. Plus, whatever Tesla does, everyone else is going to copy. This pattern has been taking place for years and is just getting going.
09-10-22, 11:09 PM
#12
Lexus Test Driver
What manufacturers are going back to buttons? I know of none. It's just more and more screens.
My prediction is buttons will be a thing of the past. Trends take priority over safety. Plus, whatever Tesla does, everyone else is going to copy. This pattern has been taking place for years and is just getting going.
My prediction is buttons will be a thing of the past. Trends take priority over safety. Plus, whatever Tesla does, everyone else is going to copy. This pattern has been taking place for years and is just getting going.
Have a feeling you may be correct, just a guess tho.
09-11-22, 01:56 AM
#13
Touch screens are just slow. Try replacing all the buttons and switches in a fighter jet with a screen and see how fast it gets shot down.
That’s why when fighter pilots train on a specific aircraft, they stick with it, with thousands of hours of muscle memory behind all the controls.
That’s why when fighter pilots train on a specific aircraft, they stick with it, with thousands of hours of muscle memory behind all the controls.
09-11-22, 05:06 AM
#14
I agree. There are some controls where buttons make more sense, especially where a passenger should also need access, as in dual climate control, heated/ventilated seats, etc.
Last edited by jer; 09-11-22 at 05:07 AM. Reason: update
09-11-22, 06:56 AM
#15
Lexus Champion
What manufacturers are going back to buttons? I know of none. It's just more and more screens.
My prediction is buttons will be a thing of the past. Trends take priority over safety. Plus, whatever Tesla does, everyone else is going to copy. This pattern has been taking place for years and is just getting going.
My prediction is buttons will be a thing of the past. Trends take priority over safety. Plus, whatever Tesla does, everyone else is going to copy. This pattern has been taking place for years and is just getting going.