I disagree. I think most people would side with Honda…

 

This group got it right............

 

this won't go to a jury if someone was stupid enough to keep the overpaid bonus money.

exactly.

what can't you understand about "workers overpaid must pay back what they weren't entitled to"?

and withholding the money would be easy even if they fire the employees, because that last paycheck can be net of the bonus overpayment.

does anyone know how much total money we're talking about?

a bunch of talking heads with probably no legal expertise among them. their opinion, while interesting (especially the lady on the left ), is irrelevant.

 

company tells you they overpaid your account, you refuse to give it back, sounds like knowingly steal to me.

 

According to the article employees who were overpaid have until tomorrow to decide which repayment option they choose with the deduction from their future bonuses the default method. No doubt there will be some who can't or won't repay so the default method will be resolve most of those issues.

 

Couple hundred dollars times several thousand employees can be too much of a mistake to swallow at a publicly traded corporation.
Although It seems they simply needed to send out a heads up that employees next paycheck is going to have deduction and then an explanation for what’s going on would have been the gentlest method of correcting this mistake. Most people can deal with Reduced paycheck in the future easier than repaying money they have already been paid and likely spent already.
Unfortunately corporations have taken over the world, and the days of an owner/operator, being able to put a little compassion into a business, are long gone. Share holders and stock value is the only thing that matters in any business, these days.
Toyota’s and Hondas could easily be getting produced in China before the ICE is retired.

 

Nope. It will hardly get any significant coverage. Hardly anyone will hear about it. There will be virtually 0 impact on Honda's image.

And just look at this thread - most people back the company for getting back money paid in error. Why would any widespread public reaction be any different.

I realize that no one here will convince you otherwise, but that's just how it would go.

 

I thought you were a moral and Christian person? Stealing is wrong, whatever it is. If you take a dollar from someone that isn't yours, thats stealing just the same as if it were $100,000.

Yeah every case..

I am astonished you feel this way. I don't know if you actually do or if this is just an example of you refusing to reverse course on something you've said even when its obvious its wrong...but I have never seen you on the wrong side of a moral and ethical issue before.

But if she gave you $20 extra you would have just stolen that?

Thats totally different.

Sales won't be impacted, and Honda will just take the overpayment out of their future pay.

 

If I was given a "Bonus" and then they came back and said sorry too much bonus, um that's kinda lame.

Aka, you're good but sorry, not that good. lol

PS- I'm not saying I would keep the money if someone said hey I Bonus you too much, just saying it's a let down and sad a little.

 

You're correct that I misread your comment, and I apologize. I took your comment to mean that the absence of long-term public controversy was proof that Honda's actions were not wrong, but you didn't say that. In its context, I see now you were simply saying it won't be remembered long as a public controversy. With that, I agree.

I never thought the biggest practical problem for Honda here would be bad publicity. By far the bigger potential problem is employee morale. For the people directly affected, it's THEIR bank account and THEIR kiddies' new shoes. They'll remember, and not favorably. At best, that won't help the quality of Marysville Honda products. At worst, it could hurt it. And THAT'S what makes me think management's handling of the aftermath was ham-fisted and misguided.

 

So you think these workers are going to be disgruntled?

 

That's not stealing. The company deposited it in their accounts. The workers did not just take it. Besides, if the workers DID feel that they aren't entitled to it, they can always (voluntarily) give part of it back...nothing is stopping them. But most of them probably deserve it.....they worked for it.

Since you brought up the subject (Christian ethics)..it is also wrong to falsely-accuse people of stealing when they are not stealing.


I disagree. This bad PR for Honda is very likely to affect a fair number of sales, but not to the same extent as the VW Dieselgate-scandal did. Honda will survive it, albeit with some bruises.

 

If they are overpaid and they refuse to give it back, it is stealing.

If you give a cashier $40 for a $30 item, and they hand you back $20...taking that extra $10 when you know it was given to you in error is stealing and its wrong.

Just because people work hard doesn't mean they are entitled to keep a bonus that was paid to them erroneously. We all work hard, and we work hard in exchange for compensation that is pre-negotiated and agreed to. You can't expect to profit from someone else's error just because you "work hard".

 

because of this m Maybe they need to call the UAW and organize for better pay and working conditions etc. What you think ?

 

some of yall arent seeing the bigger precedent if honda allows them to keep the extra. What about the other people that didnt get overpaid, then what? Is that fair to them?