Plus you get to plug it in!!

 

i don't mind an AMG being the heaviest out of its competition, to me AMG is at its best when making comfortable cruisers with wayyyy more power than one really needs

get an M car if you want razor sharp handling

 

They've always been a little bit heavier, which was fine. Slightly different mission and all. But they never had a "performance" car the size of a Civic that weighed as much as a full-size crew cab pickup truck or their own flagship sedan. Now they do.

 

on paper yes heavier is worse, but considering it's faster, more efficient AND can be plugged in i feel people will forget about the extra weight real quick... and probably not even notice unless they're seriously pushing very hard on a track

with the immediacy of the electric motor something tells me this will even 'feel' lighter than the outgoing model... it just won't ever sound nice doing so

 

how about some facts.

standard c-class is: 185-189″ L x 71-74″ W x 55-57″ H
article says c63 s is 3.3 inches longer and 3 inches wider
so that's maybe up to 192Lx77Wx57H

a civic is 179-184″ L x 71″ W x 56″ H
so up to 184Lx71Wx56H

that means the c63s is probably EIGHT INCHES LONGER, SIX INCHES WIDER and ONE INCH TALLER.

so can we stop with the ridiculous civic comparisons?

besides being much bigger, it has a plug-in battery (200lbs) hybrid and charging hardware, rear steering, and obviously a ton more features than any civic.

so the weight to me is not surprising.

this car is a couple hundred pounds more than an lc500, and probably quite a lot faster, and definitely more practical.

what "full-size crew cab pickup truck" model and weight are you referring to?

 

Glad someone actually looked at the facts. That being said, you can get a super basic (almost non-existent on the streets) F150 super crew at ~4500lbs., with super basic Super cab and Regular cab models coming in at less. Will you find consumer spec models at that weight? In very small numbers, sure.

 

Dealbreaker.

 

The spec sheet I was looking at previously had the C63S at 184", exactly the same length as the Civic Sedan. It is in fact three inches longer. Mea culpa.

So now let's take a similar tack in comparing it to the S580. That car is not three inches longer, it's nearly two feet longer. And obviously has a ton more features and luxury touches than a C class. And the weight is nearly the same.

At the end of the day, it's in a class of car where a 100-150 lb weight gain from one generation to the next is the cause of significant consternation among its target customer base. And this is one where in the transition from a giant V8 to a 4-cylinder hybrid, it gained over 700 lbs.

Already mentioned upthread, but F-150 supercrew:



I guess we'll just have to wait until Friday for the formal reviews to know for sure.

 

I still think the performance of this car, and not just in a straight line, is going to surprise a few here. Yes, it's heavier, but much of the extra weight from batteries and motors is right down at the chassis level and that extra weight is driving a ton more horsepower and torque than the outgoing model.

 

Sports cars are supposed to be light. This thing should weigh 3700lbs, tops. Even that's a somewhat high number but all the bells and whistles etc etc do weigh it down. The new one, all the electric motors and battery and cool fuel economy stuff makes this thing as heavy as a W140. Weight always gets a pass when it's EV.

 

that's part of why you're taking issue with all of this... 'an AMG' is not a sports car, it's a practical 'every day' vehicle with all of the amenities and luxuries but with way more power than needed, and also exactly as much as is needed lol

i agree a miata or Z4 of this weight would be completely unacceptable

 

But.. isn't that the role of the "AMG Lite" C43 AMG? The speed of an AMG, but more of an every day car, than a full blown AMG model?

 

it’s not a sports car, though. It’s a faster version of a family car. and because the thing that adds most of the weight is the thing that transforms the driveline (the battery and electric motor) it kind of is what it is. It’s a high-performance family sedan.

 

There is absolutely NO defense to be made for the C63 to weigh as much as it does. It is a compact-exec car. COMPACT. Not midsize, not fullsize.

Even a Tesla Model 3 Performance, a FULL EV, weighs 600lbs less (4,048 lbs). Granted, it is of course lacking on a lot of luxuries of the C63 and won't have as good suspension tuning, but still. I still think it would've made a bit more sense for the C63 to hold off a year or two and then go straight to full EV.

You WILL feel the weight on backroads, canyons/mountain roads, and on the track. Granted, not many people will be tracking these of course, but it is marketed to be a good track performer, and there was a small amount of people that track/canyon run with W205s and W204s. This car is only designed for straight line roll racing and launches, and I hate that about it. (In a way, so was the original C63, but optioning the P30/P31 packages made them into decent canyon/track cars as well)

 

Oh c'mon, now you're just being melodramatic. It wouldn't have rear wheel steering and the suspension set up that it does if it was only designed for straight line roll racing and launches. Let's see what the road tests say before the tears flow.