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Old 03-23-23, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
Just doesn't look right. If there is indeed less room inside than the Avalon, then why on earth would they create this? And with lower gas mileage to boot.

They are playing the GM game, creating new model names in an effort to bring in new customers. It won't work. They will just go elsewhere or stick to an ES/Camry.
This my friend, is the future of Toyota/Lexus. A combination of hybrid and turbocharged hybrid engines. MPG's are really not that bad except for the Platinum (41/42 for the XLE and Limited and 29/32 for the Platinum). But like you, I don't really like it
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still can't understand it being 4" taller than an avalon, same ground clearance, and worse headroom.

i think this will be an epic failure.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
same ground clearance, and worse headroom.
This is incorrect. The ground clearance is more like a RAV4. I should have take a far off photo.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
This my friend, is the future of Toyota/Lexus. A combination of hybrid and turbocharged hybrid engines. MPG's are really not that bad except for the Platinum (41/42 for the XLE and Limited and 29/32 for the Platinum). But like you, I don't really like it
At this point, they should have just made an electric version of the Avalon. Maybe use the electric architecture of the recent SUV they rolled out. This likely won't stand out anymore than an XLE Camry.

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still can't understand it being 4" taller than an avalon, same ground clearance, and worse headroom.

i think this will be an epic failure.
You're right. It will fail big time.

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This is incorrect. The ground clearance is more like a RAV4. I should have take a far off photo.
Maybe you can go back to the dealer and get a pic. Lol
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
At this point, they should have just made an electric version of the Avalon. Maybe use the electric architecture of the recent SUV they rolled out. This likely won't stand out anymore than an XLE Camry.



You're right. It will fail big time.



Maybe you can go back to the dealer and get a pic. Lol
lol.

I do have pics. I wasn’t gonna share. But not from far. That is much higher than a Avalon





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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
This is incorrect. The ground clearance is more like a RAV4. I should have take a far off photo.
from the OP review... compared to avalon...

Also, all the height is in the body, not with added ground clearance. The Crown has just 0.5 inch more air between the rockers and the road.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
from the OP review... compared to avalon...
Then it's the wheels. Because today when I saw it, the first thing you see is the life off the ground.
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omg what is with the short wheelbase and giant overhangs... and the rear door looks about a foot long/wide.



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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
omg what is with the short wheelbase and giant overhangs... and the rear door looks about a foot long/wide.

Oh man, who was desperate brave enough to buy that?
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I've seen it in person, we're defintely not talking RAV4 ground clearance here. It just looks tall because of the cladding, wheels, and slightly raised suspension. The effect isn't nearly as dramatic as the S60 cross country with its 7.9in. of ground clearance:


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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
from the OP review... compared to avalon...

Toyota doesn't always tell you the real stats. It depends. Toyota's Japan SUV list their lowest running clearance and that is cross member near the transfer case. however the rear of the SUVs are MUCH lower in the suspension points at the rear. I have no idea how they measured the Crown, but it is looks much higher off the ground than any Avalon ever could be.
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Yeah, this car is a mess. There is no other way to describe it. It may sell worse than the 2nd gen RL, and that's saying something.
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Trying to sell a sedan in CUV world. No doubt reskin of this is coming to Lexus sooner or later, it's just too easy.
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Originally Posted by article
We weren't surprised that Toyota would be looking to drop the Avalon, a relatively unexciting model in a rapidly shrinking market
To say that the Avalon was unexciting depends on one's point of view....IMO, a statement like that is B.S. In fact, the pre-2013 and post-2016 versions were quite comfortable and pleasant to drive....the 2013-2016 models were simply too firmly-sprung and had El Cheapo interior materials, which was corrected after 2016.

One reason that the large sedan market is rapidly shrinking (besides the greater flexibility of crossovers) is that they are too bulky and difficult to maneuver and park in some conditions.

On the new Crown, I am not impressed with the dash for a top-line sedan...IMO it is too plain-looking, and looks too much like that of a Corolla Cross at half the rice.

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