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Old 11-04-22, 04:42 PM
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Toyota Is Planning Price Hikes, Still Deciding How High to Go

Following surging input costs and reported regional quarterly operating losses, the company is warning of impending price increases.
  • Toyota is looking to increase pricing at a rate "limited by customer expectations" pertaining to individual models, Automotive News reported.
  • The expected increases are coming after the company experienced regional operating losses in its fiscal year which ended in September.
  • The price increases are also expected in Europe, where the company also experienced regional quarterly losses.

Death, taxes, and rising car prices: three unending guarantees. Following quarterly regional losses and sharply increasing input costs, Automotive News reports, Toyota is planning to pass rising costs down to the consumer. The paper reports that Toyota executives just need to decide exactly how significant the increases will be. A Toyota spokesperson contacted by Car and Driver declined comment.

"We are really racking our brains trying to come up with the appropriate pricing level," chief communications officer Jun Nagata said at Toyota's November 1 quarterly earnings announcement. "We have begun to reflect those higher prices into the vehicle as much as possible."

It's common for new-vehicle MSRPs to increase by amounts at least by a few hundred dollars every year, and in some years, to see an increase midyear. One solution Toyota is looking into, according to the report from Automotive News, is increasing the frequency of price jumps.

Another method of raising prices that a lot of automakers, including Toyota, have been using recently is to drop base models, effectively raising the price of entry. Just last month, the company dropped the base L sedan from its Corolla lineup, resulting in an $1125 higher starting price . Pricing for the hatchback Corolla jumped by $1800 on the SE, and $2315 on the XSE—although Toyota also cut the starting price of the Corolla hybrid by $1250.Dropping the base option generally means losing the car with the lowest profit margin for manufacturers. It also effectively raises the floor of ownership for buyers. According to the report, consumers' expectations of pricing is one of the factors Toyota executives are using to gauge increases.

The warning of impending price increases came during a quarterly earnings announcement on November 1. According to the report, the company needs to make adjustments to offset regional operating losses for the North American arm of the company. Automotive News Europe notes that Toyota is also considering price increases are also in Europe, and for similar reasons.

The automaker has revised its annual production target downward, with purchasing chief Kazunari Kumakura partly blaming an ongoing semiconductor-chip shortage and commenting, "I don't know when the chip shortage will be resolved."
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Toyota Q2 financials show a 22% YOY revenue increase but a 18% net profit drop over the same period. And Toyota's long term debt dwarfs the industry.
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Old 11-04-22, 09:56 PM
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Not surprised. Inflation is bad and will get worse. Need much higher interest rates
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I was surprised to see 2023MY Supra did not go up in price - its a huge bargain right now at under $60k

Most automakers did sizable increases this year in price
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Find your GR86s (without markup ofc) fast! They're an amazing deal at 28-30k, would hate to see the prices on their rise as well.
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But the USD is so strong. In theory, the list price should be going down compared to other countries.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
I was surprised to see 2023MY Supra did not go up in price - its a huge bargain right now at under $60k

Most automakers did sizable increases this year in price
Toyota hasn't actually started hiking prices yet, they will soon to make up for the operating losses.

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But the USD is so strong. In theory, the list price should be going down compared to other countries.
It has more to do with the yen being weak, which used to be a good thing but is no longer the case. A weak yen means it costs more for Toyota to import supplies (i.e. chips) and that cost is thus transferred to the consumer. Their supply chain is much more globalized now than it was in the Japanese bubble era, when Toyota could sources all its components domestically, so don't expect them to pull an LS400 sales bargain ever again.

Also most Toyota/Lexus vehicles sold here are manufactured in North America so the yen has literally zero impact on those factories and supply chains.

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Originally Posted by 703
But the USD is so strong. In theory, the list price should be going down compared to other countries.
Lots of ways to increase prices. Delete the base model. Expand the top end stuff. Toyota Corolla hatch has no base anymore. New hybrid awd Corollas which expands the price point. Delete a lot of content as well.
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The 2023 S Class base price went up $7,000 from 2022, loaded models are ~ $15,000 more.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The 2023 S Class base price went up $7,000 from 2022, loaded models are ~ $15,000 more.
are the exact same?
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
are the exact same?
Yep, no changes
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That is a hefty increase Up here Toyota removed the base 4R, so price is now $4500 more. Lots of parts were removed as well, are now accessories
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
That is a hefty increase Up here Toyota removed the base 4R, so price is now $4500 more. Lots of parts were removed as well, are now accessories
Not really if you think about it. Inflation is 8.5%, base price of an S Class is over $100,000, so a $6,500 increase is ~ 6%. That 4 Runner hike is a way bigger %. A well loaded S Class is $150,000+ so we're talking 10%.
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This type of inflation is just not good.

where did you see the 2023 prices?
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
This type of inflation is just not good.

where did you see the 2023 prices?
On the W223 MBWorld forums where people are recieving their 2023 order pricing.

Carmakers HAVE to raise prices in line with inflation or their prices are going down. In light of inflation a 6.5% increase is actually a 2% price reduction.
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