Kinda interesting/questionable how Toyota decided to put 19" wheels on the higher trim levels.

 

Look at the rotor size in the promo shots and despair.

 

My guess is the lower end will hold the price line. But the top end till increase closer to $40K. There are two different power trains now, the 1.8 does carry over, so the cheaper models will have the older engine which should help with costs. Up here in Canada, Prius Prime qualifies for a $2500 MSRP credit as well. Not sure about the states.

Just looked up the past Prime model. has 15" in wheels. I bet the domestic market in Japan will have smaller wheels.

 

220hp full throttle is more than an average person can handle in traffic. Some fatter than stock tires are needed to handle that.

 

If that were true than everybody basically is out there driving a car that they can't handle at full throttle...

 

which is very true, at least 90% of drivers on road never apply full throttle. At least not in northern CA, you'll crash into someone's *** in seconds even in a 150hp car.

 

Saying that they can't use full throttle because of traffic conditions and saying they can't handle full throttle are two different things. Handling more than 220hp at full throttle is not a problem. Modern cars are very good at putting power down in a safe and predictable way.

 

‘I honestly don’t understand the debate.

 

I'm not sure what his point was, but his initial post seemed like he was saying that most drivers would not be able to maintain control of a car with more than 220hp at full throttle (hence why "fatter than stock" tires would be required).

 

there was no debate, just some facts.

 

Most drivers are more than capable of handling the power delivery of more than 220 hp. My minivan has 290 hp lol

 

My car has 408 HP/487 ft-lbs torque and I have zero issues driving in traffic, on the freeway, or a winding mountain road. When I occasionally have to drive my Sienna which has 268 HP, it feels sluggish, so I could never go back to driving something with 220 HP. It would just frustrate me. But that's just me

 

225 hp and 0-60 in the 6s is a HUGE upgrade for the Prius. I remember our Prius with like 140hp and 0-60 over 10 seconds, I can't even fathom a Prius that does 0-60 the same as my LS400 and LS430 did.

The real issue with a FWD car is wheelspin off the line and torque steer. Torque steer has been pretty effectively engineered out but most FWD cars will really light the tires up from a stop, especially in the rain. Thats likely to be an issue with this Prius too. Anything more than 1/2 throttle off the line in the Pacifica for instance will free spin the front wheels.

 

it depends on where you live. Sure anyone can drive a 800hp up a Texas ramp. 150hp will do totally fine in the Bay Area.
Also, a 200hp hatch is always more fun than a 400hp fat SUV.
different scenarios just can’t be compared.

back to the topic, 220hp for a Prius, more than enough. You could even have some fun with it, if it has something wider than 195.

 

0 to 60 in 6 seconds would cause me anxiety. I can't go back