Gen2NX

There’s something that’s just starting its second phase and we should NOT start buying in to it . Payed Subscription plans for the operation of items in your car besides the radio and Global mapping . Here why we need to put a stop to this now . The manufactures will start by giving you three months free or maybe even six months free and it will ONLY be a very small charge of money in the beginning . But I guarantee that after they get a good number of people falling for this bulls**t it will just keep going up $2 or $3 dollars a year until it like $30 or $50 bucks a month . This will become a problem just like our cable tv bills .

And why would I want these manufactures to have control to turn things On or Off in it . When it’s something I payed for when I purchased my car . I should be the sole administrator of my car and its operation menu to do these things for FREE !
So pay attention people and proceed with caution when the stealers try to sell you this crap .

Toys4RJill

Toyotally agree. So dumb! My 4Runner has a remote start subscription…BUT, it also has a key fob remote start that does not require. So strange and Toyota doesn’t say a thing. It’s like a hidden feature.

before one knows it. They’ll be paying $200 a month

Doctj

We’ll be watching ads between ignition cycles lol

Hoovey689

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4Runner is antiquated enough that the Key Fob remote start is grandfathered-in. They would rather you use the Toyota phone app which is tied to the subscription to start the car. Key Fob is quicker and better though

Toys4RJill

Thank goodness New Toyotas I read Toyota will lock out the key fob with no subscription

I can see in the future…Toyota say, “you didn’t pay your 4WD subscription”…. NOW DRIVE IN THE SNOW IN 2WD pop up on the giant centre screen 📺

How does the vehicle being antiquated make any difference? Like because it uses an ancient 4.0L

Doctj

lollllll
“skip ads in 5 seconds”

RX469

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Ewww. That's just nasty of a thought.

Toys4RJill

HAHA

and wait till Google gets imbedded. Park near a McDonald's and Big Mac commercials start showing up......

Margate330

Dang, Maximum cringe, please dont let them do it.
Bloatware and ads and you know they wanna do it sooooooo bad. lol

Gen2NX

This is exactly where they want to go .

mcomer

There are reasons most Restaurants have a menu of entrees rather than a Prix Fixe meal at one price.
To include every possible feature to every buyer to work forever would be counterproductive.

Subscriptions and ongoing expenses include: Satellite Radio (90 day trial), Lexus Interface nee Enform (36 month)
Service Visits - LOF/tire rotation/check for recalls (6 & 12 month), Dynamic Nav and Voice (36 month trial),
Auto Insurance (I include this because some leases package it in), Wipers and tires and wear items (former BMW perk)

The variety of guest needs is incredibly broad. Road Warrior, stay at home, multiple drivers, hot or cold climate.
Will the Georgia driver need remote start as in Minnesota? Will the lessor need lifetime services? Does the DIY
mechanic need "free" LOF's? Do deaf folks need Sirius (kidding but really)? To package any and all services into
the purchase price will have us reading a completely different thread..."Can you believe the price of these cars ?!?!"

Gen2NX

So then they can all go back to making just a base model and a standard model that’s mass produce for the dealers lots . And then let them build your vehicle the old way , pick and choose and wait for the build . This is why it’s called a Assembly plant and not a manufacturing plant . There’s no reason a car can’t go down a Assembly line and a computer will build a model to the way the buyer ordered it , this is not rocket science.

Striker223

They want maximum margins and the least possible variance during manufacture. It's far easier for them to just build literally every car exactly the same and then change the subscription plan based on what the max they can exact from each person is.

You want more power or range? $300 a month extra. You want comfort features? $120 a month extra.

End goal would be all cars are the exact same and there is a "free with adds" tier lol!

Gen2NX

Some of us remember how the cable companies got us to remove the TV antennas from our roofs and give up FREE TV . They sold us on the premise of that if we payed for it , it would be commercial free . And it was for maybe 5 yrs and now there raking in all that marketing / commercial money again ! And charging extra fees for things like sport Subscriptions / channels .
I’m telling you this will NOT end well for the customer/ car owners . They Might as well just stop selling them and just lease them in the future.

mcomer

Many CL readers may remember that the early Tesla S had model numbers that denoted the battery size.
The 60 and the 75 and the 90. Pretty straight forward, speed costs money... how fast do you want to go?
Funny thing was, the 60 and the 75 actually had the exact same battery but the 60 was software limited to
a lesser range. This came to light after the Houston storm and flooding. Tesla 60 owners were offered an
over the air (temporary) upgrade to use the extra amps...they already had on board! Like it? You can buy it...