You don't need an electric vehicle with a long range
02-02-23, 05:18 PM
#16
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
I get more than promised on the window sticker and I will bet you that most people fall on my side of the argument.
I don't get to range promised in an EV since I drive them to their power/performance envelope like I do most cars and I also don't live in the cali bubble world. You are by definition the average market consumer many many many things are built for/toward.
I'm an extreme exception.
I don't get to range promised in an EV since I drive them to their power/performance envelope like I do most cars and I also don't live in the cali bubble world. You are by definition the average market consumer many many many things are built for/toward.
I'm an extreme exception.
. This wasn't even geared for you, it's just information I'm passing along
02-02-23, 05:21 PM
#17
Lexus Fanatic
So you drive 270 miles a day. Do you drive 70,000 miles a year? You don’t because that’s not a typical day.
02-02-23, 05:48 PM
#18
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
I just have to ask you... where are all the exciting non EV threads? Threads on the latest non EV developments? Something exciting and new from Lexus? Why aren't people in those discussions? If you post something relevant and interesting, heck I'll be happy to jump in and participate. I'm being totally serious
02-02-23, 06:10 PM
#19
Lexus Fanatic
This site has forums dedicated to every Lexus ever made anyone that wants to discuss ICE cars and trucks has no shortage of content.
02-02-23, 08:27 PM
#20
Intermediate
I agree that the general public needs about a 70-100mile range EV. If they need to travel long distances, better off renting an ICE.
An EV like this will cut down on pollution enormously.
An EV like this will cut down on pollution enormously.
02-03-23, 03:55 AM
#21
Lead Lap
Let’s just be honest a little about Tesla’s claimed range. I know my experience is anecdotal but I started at 325 miles of range yesterday and drove about 102 miles yesterday. I ended up last night with 114 miles of range left. It’s very cold here so that changes things a lot as does using sentry (about 30 miles of range to be conservative). Even my friend I was with this week that has a Model 3P said the claimed range was BS.
That is a good bit worse than claimed so I think we need to be a little more honest when we talk about day to day range instead of quoting the highest EPA rated range. We seem to do it with all cars here but it’s just a little disingenuous to quote that on a day to day basis. Also a little disappointing is when I get close to 100 miles of range left power drops off a fair amount although it’s still fast as heck. With the lesser Tesla models power falls off a lot quicker so that should be mentioned too.
That is a good bit worse than claimed so I think we need to be a little more honest when we talk about day to day range instead of quoting the highest EPA rated range. We seem to do it with all cars here but it’s just a little disingenuous to quote that on a day to day basis. Also a little disappointing is when I get close to 100 miles of range left power drops off a fair amount although it’s still fast as heck. With the lesser Tesla models power falls off a lot quicker so that should be mentioned too.
02-03-23, 04:21 AM
#22
Lexus Champion
It's not about forcing people into something that doesn't work for them. It's trying to make them understand that it does work for them by overcoming incorrect assumptions.
02-03-23, 04:32 AM
#23
No one is preaching to you. I don't know why you think that. You either are interested in EV'S or you are not, it's that simple. You just can't get it through your mind that they are a viable option for many people who think they are not. If you don't think they work for you, and if it bothers you than just don't read these threads. There are many threads that are not relevant to me, and I just don't read them
02-03-23, 04:45 AM
#24
Lexus Champion
What if every time you turned on the TV you heard people/movements/politicians criticize EVs and say a V8 is the only way to go for a truck? Or any decent car for that matter like it used to be? And then poo poo EVs and list out all the shortcomings.
It would get on your nerves, no?
02-03-23, 05:40 AM
#27
Racer
As someone who enjoys good handling and driving feel, the one thing that I really enjoy is how the chassis stiffness from the skateboard battery pack, 50/50 weight balance and low center of gravity combine to completely change how they go down the road and how they feel around corners and turns. It's fantastic. We have some freeway interchanges and exit ramps out here that have some crazy aggressive corners that can be taken with pretty good speed and our Model Y blows me away with how fast it can go around some of these while staying completely flat. It just wants to be pushed further and further. It's limits really surprise me. It would give a much lighter and smaller ICE car a run for its money.
I don't think we could ever go back to ICE, we're an EV only household from here out.
02-03-23, 05:50 AM
#28
Not to sound like a **** or anything but our EV purchases have not once been about or been driven by the environment. For us it's all about the instant power, smoothness, lack of noise, cheap running costs, and ability to do all our refueling at home in our garage.
As someone who enjoys good handling and driving feel, the one thing that I really enjoy is how the chassis stiffness from the skateboard battery pack, 50/50 weight balance and low center of gravity combine to completely change how they go down the road and how they feel around corners and turns. It's fantastic. We have some freeway interchanges and exit ramps out here that have some crazy aggressive corners that can be taken with pretty good speed and our Model Y blows me away with how fast it can go around some of these while staying completely flat. It just wants to be pushed further and further. It's limits really surprise me. It would give a much lighter and smaller ICE car a run for its money.
I don't think we could ever go back to ICE, we're an EV only household from here out.
As someone who enjoys good handling and driving feel, the one thing that I really enjoy is how the chassis stiffness from the skateboard battery pack, 50/50 weight balance and low center of gravity combine to completely change how they go down the road and how they feel around corners and turns. It's fantastic. We have some freeway interchanges and exit ramps out here that have some crazy aggressive corners that can be taken with pretty good speed and our Model Y blows me away with how fast it can go around some of these while staying completely flat. It just wants to be pushed further and further. It's limits really surprise me. It would give a much lighter and smaller ICE car a run for its money.
I don't think we could ever go back to ICE, we're an EV only household from here out.
02-03-23, 05:53 AM
#29
Not to sound like a **** or anything but our EV purchases have not once been about or been driven by the environment. For us it's all about the instant power, smoothness, lack of noise, cheap running costs, and ability to do all our refueling at home in our garage.
As someone who enjoys good handling and driving feel, the one thing that I really enjoy is how the chassis stiffness from the skateboard battery pack, 50/50 weight balance and low center of gravity combine to completely change how they go down the road and how they feel around corners and turns. It's fantastic. We have some freeway interchanges and exit ramps out here that have some crazy aggressive corners that can be taken with pretty good speed and our Model Y blows me away with how fast it can go around some of these while staying completely flat. It would give a much lighter and smaller ICE car a run for its money.
I don't think we could ever go back to ICE, we're an EV only household from here out.
As someone who enjoys good handling and driving feel, the one thing that I really enjoy is how the chassis stiffness from the skateboard battery pack, 50/50 weight balance and low center of gravity combine to completely change how they go down the road and how they feel around corners and turns. It's fantastic. We have some freeway interchanges and exit ramps out here that have some crazy aggressive corners that can be taken with pretty good speed and our Model Y blows me away with how fast it can go around some of these while staying completely flat. It would give a much lighter and smaller ICE car a run for its money.
I don't think we could ever go back to ICE, we're an EV only household from here out.
So it begs the question, why is the government pushing for full EVs for the environment when it seems a plug in hybrid would IMO net a better result for the environment. (in no way am I insinuating any conspiracy or bringing in politics). I am just thinking this wasn't thought completely through by the Government.
not having to stop at a gas station every week is very likely with a PHEV as well. Personally, I want an EV for the similar reasons, quick acceleration combined with low running cost. If it helps the environment as well then great but that wouldn't be the reason I switch to an EV.
Last edited by Blaze876; 02-03-23 at 06:01 AM.
02-03-23, 06:02 AM
#30
Lexus Champion
This point of view I don't disagree with..
So it begs the question, why is the government pushing for full EVs for the environment when it seems a plug in hybrid would IMO net a better result for the environment. (in no way am I insinuating any conspiracy or bringing in politics). I am just thinking this wasn't thought completely through by the Government.
not having to stop at a gas station every week is very likely with a PHEV as well. Personally, I want an EV for the similar reasons, quick acceleration combined with low running cost. If the environment as well then great but that wouldn't be the reason I switch to an EV.
So it begs the question, why is the government pushing for full EVs for the environment when it seems a plug in hybrid would IMO net a better result for the environment. (in no way am I insinuating any conspiracy or bringing in politics). I am just thinking this wasn't thought completely through by the Government.
not having to stop at a gas station every week is very likely with a PHEV as well. Personally, I want an EV for the similar reasons, quick acceleration combined with low running cost. If the environment as well then great but that wouldn't be the reason I switch to an EV.