You don't need an electric vehicle with a long range
02-03-23, 08:10 AM
#46
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
My colleage's Chevy Volt is beating the expected range by quite a bit.
He showed me his phone app the other day on how far he has traveled and the range left and he is getting 300+ miles range.
I asked him how he does it and he says he drives for max efficiency and doesn't run the AC or Heat for his experiment to see how much range he can get.
He showed me his phone app the other day on how far he has traveled and the range left and he is getting 300+ miles range.
I asked him how he does it and he says he drives for max efficiency and doesn't run the AC or Heat for his experiment to see how much range he can get.
02-03-23, 08:11 AM
#47
Lexus Test Driver
Yes sir he does.
Maybe that's how he's killing it on the expected range.
All local driving in a metro area with lots of traffic lights.
Not sure how much running the AC will cost but he is beating the expected range by a lot by not running it.
02-03-23, 08:30 AM
#48
Lexus Fanatic
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the article is such a ridiculous ev promoting puff piece, telling people "oh don't worry about range, you don't need it most of the time".
yeah, right.
well i drive to south florida several times a year and i can do it EASILY without getting gas in my vehicles. i don't WANT to HAVE TO stop to recharge on the way. do i stop on the way normally? yes, usually 1 bathroom break (5 minutes), stretch legs.
and to those who say "oh just rent an ice for the long trip" - i'm guessing they haven't see how expensive car rentals are lately. hell to the no.
yeah, right.
well i drive to south florida several times a year and i can do it EASILY without getting gas in my vehicles. i don't WANT to HAVE TO stop to recharge on the way. do i stop on the way normally? yes, usually 1 bathroom break (5 minutes), stretch legs.
and to those who say "oh just rent an ice for the long trip" - i'm guessing they haven't see how expensive car rentals are lately. hell to the no.
02-03-23, 08:52 AM
#50
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
the article is such a ridiculous ev promoting puff piece, telling people "oh don't worry about range, you don't need it most of the time".
yeah, right.
well i drive to south florida several times a year and i can do it EASILY without getting gas in my vehicles. i don't WANT to HAVE TO stop to recharge on the way. do i stop on the way normally? yes, usually 1 bathroom break (5 minutes), stretch legs.
and to those who say "oh just rent an ice for the long trip" - i'm guessing they haven't see how expensive car rentals are lately. hell to the no.
yeah, right.
well i drive to south florida several times a year and i can do it EASILY without getting gas in my vehicles. i don't WANT to HAVE TO stop to recharge on the way. do i stop on the way normally? yes, usually 1 bathroom break (5 minutes), stretch legs.
and to those who say "oh just rent an ice for the long trip" - i'm guessing they haven't see how expensive car rentals are lately. hell to the no.
I'm just blown away this even got this many emotional responses. In my mind I was just posting information that may be useful to someone who is a potential EV buyer and may be budget conscious. Imagine if I had actually posted a controversial article...
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 02-03-23 at 08:56 AM.
02-03-23, 08:56 AM
#51
Super Moderator
Earlier you referenced a '22 Accord Sport V6, which was never a thing. The last one was 2016. This is the literal definition of a strawman. There are plenty of cars that don't exist that I would buy if they did.
02-03-23, 09:03 AM
#52
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
Which is now two full generations old. It was discontinued 3 years before the Y was introduced.
Earlier you referenced a '22 Accord Sport V6, which was never a thing. The last one was 2016. This is the literal definition of a strawman. There are plenty of cars that don't exist that I would buy if they did.
Earlier you referenced a '22 Accord Sport V6, which was never a thing. The last one was 2016. This is the literal definition of a strawman. There are plenty of cars that don't exist that I would buy if they did.
02-03-23, 09:09 AM
#53
Racer
I'd rather drive a 30k 22' Honda Accord V6 over a 60k model Y.
+Refill once a week, good to go. A full refill takes less than 5 minutes.
+Maintenance is minimal. An oil change takes less than 20 minutes(if DIY(5 minutes if you're good)))
- No need to plug in every night.
- No need to be afraid of range.
+Superior sophistication because its an ICE.
+Superior choices in style.
+More lively engine and fun to drive, even though it may be slower to accelerate.
The choice is crystal clear(to me)
+Refill once a week, good to go. A full refill takes less than 5 minutes.
+Maintenance is minimal. An oil change takes less than 20 minutes(if DIY(5 minutes if you're good)))
- No need to plug in every night.
- No need to be afraid of range.
+Superior sophistication because its an ICE.
+Superior choices in style.
+More lively engine and fun to drive, even though it may be slower to accelerate.
The choice is crystal clear(to me)
02-03-23, 09:11 AM
#54
Lexus Champion
You can’t read an article about the TRX without several paragraphs whining about fuel economy is also my point about the magazines.
Who cares??????? Running a leaf blower for 45 minutes is worse for the environment than driving a 6.2L Raptor 3800 miles from Canada down here.
Do we really think buyers of a 700hp truck care about MPG?
Just say it’s terrible and move on.
Who cares??????? Running a leaf blower for 45 minutes is worse for the environment than driving a 6.2L Raptor 3800 miles from Canada down here.
Do we really think buyers of a 700hp truck care about MPG?
Just say it’s terrible and move on.
02-03-23, 09:22 AM
#55
Lexus Fanatic
This point of view I don't disagree with. EVs will certainly be faster and better handling than a similarly priced PHEV today and probably ever. I may be wrong but it seems like some here push the EV agenda because of the environment yet hates plug in hybrids. With the PHEV you also get cheap running costs (not as cheap as a full on EV but the initial price is usually much less), lack of noise and smoothness for most if not all of your daily commute and the ability to do most of your refueling at home in your garage. So the only thing lacking is the instant power, handling, a bit more maintenance and less interior volume (since a frunk wouldn't be possible).
So it begs the question, why is the government pushing for full EVs for the environment when it seems a plug in hybrid would IMO net a better result for the environment. (in no way am I insinuating any conspiracy or bringing in politics). I am just thinking this wasn't thought completely through by the Government.
So it begs the question, why is the government pushing for full EVs for the environment when it seems a plug in hybrid would IMO net a better result for the environment. (in no way am I insinuating any conspiracy or bringing in politics). I am just thinking this wasn't thought completely through by the Government.
02-03-23, 09:24 AM
#56
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
You can’t read an article about the TRX without several paragraphs whining about fuel economy is also my point about the magazines.
Who cares??????? Running a leaf blower for 45 minutes is worse for the environment than driving a 6.2L Raptor 3800 miles from Canada down here.
Do we really think buyers of a 700hp truck care about MPG?
Just say it’s terrible and move on.
Who cares??????? Running a leaf blower for 45 minutes is worse for the environment than driving a 6.2L Raptor 3800 miles from Canada down here.
Do we really think buyers of a 700hp truck care about MPG?
Just say it’s terrible and move on.
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 02-03-23 at 09:29 AM.
02-03-23, 09:35 AM
#58
Lexus Fanatic
02-03-23, 09:42 AM
#59
I gave the Model Y a go lol - adjusting the mirrors and almost everything else with the dumb rolling ***** on the steering wheel was exercise in frustration. The sun visors are literally thinner than cardboard. The fact there is no HUD and no gauges in front is a HUGE safety hazard.
I also find it easier to see a big number than interpret a little needle, but I switch back and forth between those with a Tesla and Merc regularly and it's not a problem. My '14 Benz only has tachometer, speedometer, and a crappy little LCD display in the cluster so really it's only speed out of all that space I truly need.
the article is such a ridiculous ev promoting puff piece, telling people "oh don't worry about range, you don't need it most of the time".
yeah, right.
well i drive to south florida several times a year and i can do it EASILY without getting gas in my vehicles. i don't WANT to HAVE TO stop to recharge on the way. do i stop on the way normally? yes, usually 1 bathroom break (5 minutes), stretch legs.
and to those who say "oh just rent an ice for the long trip" - i'm guessing they haven't see how expensive car rentals are lately. hell to the no.
yeah, right.
well i drive to south florida several times a year and i can do it EASILY without getting gas in my vehicles. i don't WANT to HAVE TO stop to recharge on the way. do i stop on the way normally? yes, usually 1 bathroom break (5 minutes), stretch legs.
and to those who say "oh just rent an ice for the long trip" - i'm guessing they haven't see how expensive car rentals are lately. hell to the no.
02-03-23, 10:09 AM
#60
Lexus Test Driver
So many great posts on both sides.
If I had a daily commute of under 50 miles as I once did, I think I'd go straight to the PHEV as more cool models come available.
Nice balance, run my commute on the batteries.
Disclaimer, I don't know the details about PHEV's yet but if I understand it has a low range battery and ICE.
Lots of brands and models to choose from if I understand.
Hybrids are ok but not my thing, I don't want to hear the engine start and stop at every light.
PS- if I am wrong plz go easy on me, I always come to CL with empty pockets and come with what I know and don't lol
Unless I have to look up some technical stuff to help a member in the models forum, of course.
BTW, I've learned a lot from ya'll members.
If I had a daily commute of under 50 miles as I once did, I think I'd go straight to the PHEV as more cool models come available.
Nice balance, run my commute on the batteries.
Disclaimer, I don't know the details about PHEV's yet but if I understand it has a low range battery and ICE.
Lots of brands and models to choose from if I understand.
Hybrids are ok but not my thing, I don't want to hear the engine start and stop at every light.
PS- if I am wrong plz go easy on me, I always come to CL with empty pockets and come with what I know and don't lol
Unless I have to look up some technical stuff to help a member in the models forum, of course.
BTW, I've learned a lot from ya'll members.