Grand Highlander pics, videos and reviews
02-10-23 | 10:29 AM
#136
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pretty sure hybrid will actually react way better than its 0-60 result, because of the instant torque from electric motors.
As we know by now, passing times for hybrids are always way better than their 0-60 times vs competition.
And right now in this thread, it is just Motorola trying to prove, once again, a bad point. Nothing new in the world.
As we know by now, passing times for hybrids are always way better than their 0-60 times vs competition.
And right now in this thread, it is just Motorola trying to prove, once again, a bad point. Nothing new in the world.
Noise, vibration, harshness.
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02-10-23 | 11:21 AM
#138
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Perhaps in your own head, but I have yet to see any evidence that it isn't competitive at all. In fact, it seems to have the second best performance in the segment...I've asked repeatedly what comparable vehicles I have missed in my list and I haven't received an answer. I have posted hard numbers repeatedly...pretty substantive. You have a bias against Toyotas, and its showing here. If this was a Hyundai powerplant you would think its incredible.
02-10-23 | 11:24 AM
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So we’ve been pressing about sub 7 being ok for a family hauler. I see gle350 can hit it for 6.6. With all other nice things and its appearance, why shouldn’t they feel special about it? It’s not cheap either.
02-10-23 | 11:27 AM
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Perhaps in your own head, but I have yet to see any evidence that it isn't competitive at all. In fact, it seems to have the second best performance in the segment...I've asked repeatedly what comparable vehicles I have missed in my list and I haven't received an answer. I have posted hard numbers repeatedly...pretty substantive. You have a bias against Toyotas, and its showing here. If this was a Hyundai powerplant you would think its incredible.
As for Hyundai? Their non-hybrid 2.5T is almost as fast as this max hybrid with supposedly a hundred more HP lol. That's why I found it originally to be underwhelming, nevermind compared to the turbo 6 cylinders that are all around a second faster on comparably sized vehicles.
02-10-23 | 11:27 AM
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My point is, buyers don't really care even in that segment, they could have an X5 with a dramatically better I6 for the same money or less as that GLE350 but they chose the GLE anyways. If they don't care about or notice the poor refinement of that powertrain in a GLE they aren't going to care if this MaxHybrid has some 4 cyl coarseness here and there in a Grand Highlander.
I personally would never buy a GLE or E class with the 4 cyl, I wouldn't be able to live with it.
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02-10-23 | 12:13 PM
#142
no, lol. soyfan, sofyan
well done tritonal in aligning 3 people in the most unlikely fashion.
let's face it, you're hypercritical of 4 cylinder vehicles because you don't and won't own one.
you're right, most buyers don't care.
but they will care if the hybrid battery is temporarily out of juice and suddenly their "360ish hp" engine feels lame.
well done tritonal in aligning 3 people in the most unlikely fashion.
+1
I personally would never buy a GLE or E class with the 4 cyl, I wouldn't be able to live with it.
My point is, buyers don't really care even in that segment, they could have an X5 with a dramatically better I6 for the same money or less as that GLE350 but they chose the GLE anyways. If they don't care about or notice the poor refinement of that powertrain in a GLE they aren't going to care if this MaxHybrid has some 4 cyl coarseness here and there in a Grand Highlander.
but they will care if the hybrid battery is temporarily out of juice and suddenly their "360ish hp" engine feels lame.
02-10-23 | 12:15 PM
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Because the powertrain feels terrible, its loud and buzzy, the gearing trying to get power out of it makes it clunky, the I6 in the GLE450 transforms the car. The E Class is the same
My point is, buyers don't really care even in that segment, they could have an X5 with a dramatically better I6 for the same money or less as that GLE350 but they chose the GLE anyways. If they don't care about or notice the poor refinement of that powertrain in a GLE they aren't going to care if this MaxHybrid has some 4 cyl coarseness here and there in a Grand Highlander.
I personally would never buy a GLE or E class with the 4 cyl, I wouldn't be able to live with it.
My point is, buyers don't really care even in that segment, they could have an X5 with a dramatically better I6 for the same money or less as that GLE350 but they chose the GLE anyways. If they don't care about or notice the poor refinement of that powertrain in a GLE they aren't going to care if this MaxHybrid has some 4 cyl coarseness here and there in a Grand Highlander.
I personally would never buy a GLE or E class with the 4 cyl, I wouldn't be able to live with it.
02-10-23 | 12:18 PM
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no, lol. soyfan, sofyan
well done tritonal in aligning 3 people in the most unlikely fashion.
let's face it, you're hypercritical of 4 cylinder vehicles because you don't and won't own one.
you're right, most buyers don't care.
but they will care if the hybrid battery is temporarily out of juice and suddenly their "360ish hp" engine feels lame.
well done tritonal in aligning 3 people in the most unlikely fashion.
let's face it, you're hypercritical of 4 cylinder vehicles because you don't and won't own one.
you're right, most buyers don't care.
but they will care if the hybrid battery is temporarily out of juice and suddenly their "360ish hp" engine feels lame.
02-10-23 | 12:21 PM
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Its not going to be $70k. If it is Toyota is totally out of their minds. In that case, you have options, you have Mazda with the inline 6, you have Ford with the V6 and you have Jeep with the Hemi/Soon to be inline 6 but you will trade a huge amount of fuel economy.
The GH is not a vehicle for an enthusiast, its a family hauler for a well heeled family that wants space, reliability, decent technology and good fuel economy. Its a vehicle for someone like my wife. She drove a horrible Prius for 7 years and loved it. For you and me, those other vehicles are going to be a lot more attractive.
In any event, saying that these 4 cyls are going to have engines screaming and buzzing is way dramatic. Maybe if you are driving it around at WOT all the time, but you won't be. In normal driving they feel and sound fine.
Look how popular the GLE350 is. That engine is terrible in that application, and lots of people running around in those they think they are real special in.
The GH is not a vehicle for an enthusiast, its a family hauler for a well heeled family that wants space, reliability, decent technology and good fuel economy. Its a vehicle for someone like my wife. She drove a horrible Prius for 7 years and loved it. For you and me, those other vehicles are going to be a lot more attractive.
In any event, saying that these 4 cyls are going to have engines screaming and buzzing is way dramatic. Maybe if you are driving it around at WOT all the time, but you won't be. In normal driving they feel and sound fine.
Look how popular the GLE350 is. That engine is terrible in that application, and lots of people running around in those they think they are real special in.
People buy the GLE because of the badge. I have to say I havent driven a benz turbo 4 before so I cant comment on it.
02-10-23 | 12:28 PM
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no, lol. soyfan, sofyan
well done tritonal in aligning 3 people in the most unlikely fashion.
let's face it, you're hypercritical of 4 cylinder vehicles because you don't and won't own one.
you're right, most buyers don't care.
but they will care if the hybrid battery is temporarily out of juice and suddenly their "360ish hp" engine feels lame.
well done tritonal in aligning 3 people in the most unlikely fashion.
let's face it, you're hypercritical of 4 cylinder vehicles because you don't and won't own one.
you're right, most buyers don't care.
but they will care if the hybrid battery is temporarily out of juice and suddenly their "360ish hp" engine feels lame.
02-10-23 | 12:29 PM
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Because the powertrain feels terrible, its loud and buzzy, the gearing trying to get power out of it makes it clunky, the I6 in the GLE450 transforms the car. The E Class is the same
My point is, buyers don't really care even in that segment, they could have an X5 with a dramatically better I6 for the same money or less as that GLE350 but they chose the GLE anyways. If they don't care about or notice the poor refinement of that powertrain in a GLE they aren't going to care if this MaxHybrid has some 4 cyl coarseness here and there in a Grand Highlander.
I personally would never buy a GLE or E class with the 4 cyl, I wouldn't be able to live with it.
My point is, buyers don't really care even in that segment, they could have an X5 with a dramatically better I6 for the same money or less as that GLE350 but they chose the GLE anyways. If they don't care about or notice the poor refinement of that powertrain in a GLE they aren't going to care if this MaxHybrid has some 4 cyl coarseness here and there in a Grand Highlander.
I personally would never buy a GLE or E class with the 4 cyl, I wouldn't be able to live with it.
02-10-23 | 12:44 PM
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