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Old 02-10-23, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Compared to vehicles of similar size and weight, the engine is not nearly as powerful as the power output states on paper. I've shown that time and again, while you make excuses for it by limiting what "class" it's in or bring up other factors unrelated to the engine like cabin size. It's the same engine whether it's in the RX500h or here.
What vehicles in the same price category are faster to 60? You still haven’t answered that. I’ve names several vehicles with similar power that are slower…

As for Hyundai? Their non-hybrid 2.5T is almost as fast as this max hybrid with supposedly a hundred more HP lol. That's why I found it originally to be underwhelming, nevermind compared to the turbo 6 cylinders that are all around a second faster on comparably sized vehicles.
How? Post the numbers.

Originally Posted by 1111GS
I think you argue against the same thing you support.
In what way?

Originally Posted by situman
Would Benz buyers even cross shop a GH? Wont they just move up to the GLS even though its smaller than the GH on the inside out of pride? I'm not going to lie, getting into my friend's Sienna hybrid for a test drive after hopping out of my GX, the first thought that came to mind was "what is this trash?" My 1996 Toyota Camry LE V6 had nicer materials. Damn I miss that car and engine.
No, the GLE is just an example of buyers in a segment that should be picker who aren’t.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
What vehicles in the same price category are faster to 60? You still haven’t answered that. I’ve names several vehicles with similar power that are slower
Where lol. You named one- the Jeep Grand Cherokee L's V8 which is ancient and being in the process of being replaced by a 500 HP inline 6. Name any other vehicle the same size/weight as the TX with similar power numbers that is slower. And if there isn't enough information for that, find it for the RX500h.

As far as $60K+ mainstream vehicles, you have the Explorer ST which is faster, the inline 6 CX-90 which we have no estimate, and the Jeep which we just mentioned. What else are you comparing it with?

And as far as the whole argument about how "power doesn't matter on a family hauler" then why would Toyota offer the hybrid max engine? It clearly does matter to be something offered for sale.

How? Post the numbers.
And it weighs more than the RX500h too.

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Old 02-10-23, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Where lol. You named one- the Jeep Grand Cherokee L's V8 which is ancient and being in the process of being replaced by a 500 HP inline 6. Name any other vehicle the same size/weight as the TX with similar power numbers that is slower. And if there isn't enough information for that, find it for the RX500h.

As far as $60K+ mainstream vehicles, you have the Explorer ST which is faster, the inline 6 CX-90 which we have no estimate, and the Jeep which we just mentioned. What else are you comparing it with?

And as far as the whole argument about how "power doesn't matter on a family hauler" then why would Toyota offer the hybrid max engine? It clearly does matter to be something offered for sale.



And it weighs more than the RX500h too.
Thats my point, there is nothing else in the segment that has power anywhere close to that. This, the Jeeps, and the Explorer that’s it, and this is faster than the Jeep, not the Explorer, hence why I said it was so impressive. When you add the incredible fuel economy to that it makes it even more impressive.
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Old 02-10-23, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
let's face it, you're hypercritical of 4 cylinder vehicles because you don't and won't own one.
I missed this before because I was on my phone.

You missed in this thread where I defended 4 cyls and even said my Pacifica would probably be made better by a turbo 4.

I am hypercritical of 4 cyl engines in luxury cars, not in general. I think by and large these new turbo 4s are better choices for mainstream vehicles from a drivability standpoint than NA 6 cyls.
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Old 02-10-23, 02:06 PM
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Thoughts? Maybe a V6 might be a good idea.
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That V6 hybrid didnt have as much power as the MaxHybrid, only 306 hp.
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With a new V6. For sure Toyota could get it higher. Remember the electric motors add power too. And the V6 is a detuned version. LS500h has more power.
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But they're just clearly not going to invest in new 6 cyl powertrains.
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Lexus wouldn't dare put the 2.4 turbo hybrid into the LS would they?
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Lexus wouldn't dare put the 2.4 turbo hybrid into the LS would they?
No, no way.
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Watching some of the videos on this new Toyota. Interior is on the cheap side




This sticks out bad.
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Oh you want cheap? I'll give you cheap. I just had the recall done on my 4.0 (waste of time, there was nothing wrong and they were shocked. It's almost as if I use the correct oil on 1/2 interval....) and I got a Q5 as a loaner with nearly every option. I also tried out an etron and my god the Germans do not do midrange (60-85k) cars well.

Horribly overpriced for what you get
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
What is Toyota forcing to choose? Makes no sense. There are lots of options for this model
They should make the best vehicle possible. Dont give people reasons to choose a competitor.
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Originally Posted by situman
They should make the best vehicle possible. Dont give people reasons to choose a competitor.
Unfortunately, Toyota hasn't felt that way for a long time.

There was truly a time when I had no reason to consider anything other than a Toyota or Lexus.
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Thanks for sharing .The Grand Highlander comes equipped with a range of advanced technology features, including a large infotainment display, a premium sound system, and a suite of safety features such as lane departure warning and adaptive cruise control. The car handles well on the road, with a smooth and quiet ride that makes it perfect for long journeys.

One of the standout features of the Grand Highlander is its hybrid powertrain, which provides a perfect balance of power and fuel efficiency. The engine is responsive and powerful, yet it is also capable of delivering excellent fuel economy, making it a great choice for those who are environmentally conscious.
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