in what ways are new cars better than old cars (if that's what you think)?
02-20-23 | 09:39 PM
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What kind of crash are we talking about? Head on? W140 on the move would split Accord in half in a head on. Remember Mercedes basically invented safety, and S-Class was always the pinnacle.
Check the inside metal door hinges on that Honda then go check a W140.
02-20-23 | 09:53 PM
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Safety is NOT blown out of proportion. When I put my family into a vehicle, I want the safest vehicle that I can get for them. Just because a 15-20 year old car may not be a "death trap", it simply is not the safest vehicle I can get for them. They are constantly evolving how vehicles are designed and tested. A great example is the small offset crash test, which is a very realistic crash scenario. Cars we thought were really safe performed great in a full frontal crash into a barrier, well unless you crash into a brick wall how likely is that? They performed great in a medium offset crash, but performed TERRIBLY in a small offset crash. Hardly ANY cars passed that new test. Now, all cars pass it. Why? Because manufacturers design cars to perform in the test, the new stricter tests make cars safer for us.
So no, no way I would put my family into a car designed before around 2012, because I know cars designed after that are MUCH SAFER because of that test. If my family were in a crash and died or were injured in a way that providing them with a newer, safer car would have prevented and I knew that, I could never live with myself.
On top of that, all the additional safety features in cars, automatic braking which you ridecule but again helps avoid crashes, skid control and yaw control are much better than they once were, make for a much safer car. Great example? My RWD LS400 and LS430 were undrivable in the snow, my RWD LS460L was extremely drivable. Why? Much better traction control and skid control technology.
Safety is #1
So no, no way I would put my family into a car designed before around 2012, because I know cars designed after that are MUCH SAFER because of that test. If my family were in a crash and died or were injured in a way that providing them with a newer, safer car would have prevented and I knew that, I could never live with myself.
On top of that, all the additional safety features in cars, automatic braking which you ridecule but again helps avoid crashes, skid control and yaw control are much better than they once were, make for a much safer car. Great example? My RWD LS400 and LS430 were undrivable in the snow, my RWD LS460L was extremely drivable. Why? Much better traction control and skid control technology.
Safety is #1
02-20-23 | 09:55 PM
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Care to explain your "spoiler" nonsense?
My Avalon doesn't have any tire pressure info. Just an annoying light that was set off from a variety of reasons. My 07 TL gave the PSI on each tire on the info screen in the instrument cluster but not this car. Both 07, go figure...
My Avalon doesn't have any tire pressure info. Just an annoying light that was set off from a variety of reasons. My 07 TL gave the PSI on each tire on the info screen in the instrument cluster but not this car. Both 07, go figure...
02-20-23 | 11:09 PM
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Care to explain your "spoiler" nonsense?
My Avalon doesn't have any tire pressure info. Just an annoying light that was set off from a variety of reasons. My 07 TL gave the PSI on each tire on the info screen in the instrument cluster but not this car. Both 07, go figure...
My Avalon doesn't have any tire pressure info. Just an annoying light that was set off from a variety of reasons. My 07 TL gave the PSI on each tire on the info screen in the instrument cluster but not this car. Both 07, go figure...
If you don't like modern cars, well buy old ones then. But I don't understand why you care so much that others want the benefits of new technology. Just stick with what you like and want, and let others do the same, and we can all coexist in peaceful harmony
02-20-23 | 11:49 PM
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and there's no way i can manually check the tire pressures on all 4 tires on a vehicle in 30 seconds.
first i have to find my pressure gauge.
then take off all the caps.
then read the pressure on the tires.
then put the caps back on (obviously putting in air in between if needed)
2-3 minutes easy for the reading alone. if i have to add air to a couple of tires, now we're up to 5 minutes.
not a giant hardship for sure, but i LOVE having individual tire pressure readings on the gauge cluster like you said.
02-21-23 | 01:08 AM
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so now you're saying you wish your avalon was more technologically advanced and had individual wheel readouts on your gauge cluster like your TL had.
and there's no way i can manually check the tire pressures on all 4 tires on a vehicle in 30 seconds.
first i have to find my pressure gauge.
then take off all the caps.
then read the pressure on the tires.
then put the caps back on (obviously putting in air in between if needed)
2-3 minutes easy for the reading alone. if i have to add air to a couple of tires, now we're up to 5 minutes.
not a giant hardship for sure, but i LOVE having individual tire pressure readings on the gauge cluster like you said.
and there's no way i can manually check the tire pressures on all 4 tires on a vehicle in 30 seconds.
first i have to find my pressure gauge.
then take off all the caps.
then read the pressure on the tires.
then put the caps back on (obviously putting in air in between if needed)
2-3 minutes easy for the reading alone. if i have to add air to a couple of tires, now we're up to 5 minutes.
not a giant hardship for sure, but i LOVE having individual tire pressure readings on the gauge cluster like you said.
02-21-23 | 08:35 AM
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If Car A (had every feature desirable to you tech wise and everything else you wanted in a car) was built in 2010 and was rated 8.9/10 on a comprehensive safety database and Car B that was built in 2013 (some low-rent thing worse than a Mirage) was rated a 9.2/10 on the same formula, you would automatically think Car A was so unsafe for your family and you would immediately disregard it?
I said I would not put my family in a car not designed to perform well in that test, because I want them to be in as safe a car as is possible. What’s hard to understand about that?
02-21-23 | 08:41 AM
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500lb difference is immense for the sake of car vs car performance, this is 1000lb in favor of the 140. Can't fight physics.....plus I was comparing those older flagships vs "normal" cars not cutting edge modern ones that we know are the best.
02-21-23 | 09:10 AM
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I wouldn't, a W140 vs the new accord would destroy the accord severely due to the insane weight difference.
500lb difference is immense for the sake of car vs car performance, this is 1000lb in favor of the 140. Can't fight physics.....plus I was comparing those older flagships vs "normal" cars not cutting edge modern ones that we know are the best.
500lb difference is immense for the sake of car vs car performance, this is 1000lb in favor of the 140. Can't fight physics.....plus I was comparing those older flagships vs "normal" cars not cutting edge modern ones that we know are the best.
02-21-23 | 09:13 AM
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even if old cars were 'tanks' we should all be able to agree, for endless obvious reasons, that vehicles today are vastly more safe to drive. not only do they do better in collisions (a tank isn't 'safer' because it has no crumple zones so people fly around inside and hit things) AND can now AVOID collisions (ABS, CTA, LKA, ACC, etc) which is huge.
edit: saw allen's post after submitting mine. and, yeah.
edit: saw allen's post after submitting mine. and, yeah.
02-21-23 | 09:36 AM
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Electric power steering is way better than hydraulic power steering. My wife's 06 Civic blew a power steering line again, I guess the aftermarket replacement was low quality. We replaced it with an OEM line from a junkyard Civic. When I had my 99 Accord, I had to replace the power steering line when it cracked during a cold snap. Zero issues in -50c weather with the CX-9.
02-21-23 | 10:01 AM
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and there's no way i can manually check the tire pressures on all 4 tires on a vehicle in 30 seconds.
first i have to find my pressure gauge.
then take off all the caps.
then read the pressure on the tires.
then put the caps back on (obviously putting in air in between if needed)
2-3 minutes easy for the reading alone. if i have to add air to a couple of tires, now we're up to 5 minutes.
not a giant hardship for sure, but i LOVE having individual tire pressure readings on the gauge cluster like you said.
first i have to find my pressure gauge.
then take off all the caps.
then read the pressure on the tires.
then put the caps back on (obviously putting in air in between if needed)
2-3 minutes easy for the reading alone. if i have to add air to a couple of tires, now we're up to 5 minutes.
not a giant hardship for sure, but i LOVE having individual tire pressure readings on the gauge cluster like you said.
Hell I just topped both cars off less than 2 weeks ago (thanks to TPMS letting me know that my pressure had dropped more than I expected due to a cold snap. Thanks TPMS!) and I couldn't tell you what the spec is for the F/R pressure on each car.
02-21-23 | 10:43 AM
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The Accord would certainly be headed to the scrap yard if it hit/got hit by the W140, but the passengers would likely be fine. A lot of engineering improvements have happened in 20+ years. Passengers in the w140 would probably be feeling it more in the following days as the Accord would dissipate the force better with more crumple zones