Electric steering fails too. Toyota once had a huge recall on the power steering. I am all for electric steering, but it is very expensive to replace.

Something I noticed about Toyota/Lexus

Land Cruiser 300 with the 3.5tt uses hydraulic power steering
Lexus LX with the same 3.5tt uses electric power steering.

Yup
Is the new Sequoia better than the old one? Not sure it is.

 

Did you ever drive an M-B product built before the 1990s? I was also comparing them to today's M-B products. .

 

I still have my RAZR in a drawer somewhere....

 

Fellow packrats

 

You said you wanted the safest car you could possibly get for your family. I just think it's a bit overblown when presented with the example I gave. Two very, very safe cars overall. One just slightly less safe according to a comprehensive safety test, yet this car has every other feature imaginable to you where the one just barely safer is a no frills econobox.

It's not like I'm bringing up a car from 1963 and comparing it to a 460. I just think we've hit a point where we're getting very diminished returns for safety on the cars manufactured in the last 20 years compared to the 20 years prior to that, then the 20 years before that.

It's like the Pacifica example you gave. You are strongly considering keep it but you likely won't because it doesn't have lane centering abilities. Perhaps that feature prevents the van from being rated (for safety) as high as one with the function, yet they are basically the same exact vehicle and there are tons of people who wouldn't even care if it had it or even use it. They would probably just turn it off.

 

wrong thread.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...you-think.html

ha, right! i *think* my suv and coupe both have the same psi rating which is helpful. i always inflate to 2-3 more so i don't have to do it so often.

"much more satisfying" - to you, because they remind you of your earlier years perhaps but that 'personality and character' to me is typically just annoying things or bad handling, bad steering, bad brakes, creaks, squeaks, uneven throttle response, obviously a complete lack of some or all safety features, etc. we've always had "rolling appliances" like Model T's, pintos , chevettes, old accords and camrys, malibus, impalas, ford ltd's, and on and on.

you're obviously only framing it from where you live in a concrete jungle. where i live, and millions of others, there's almost endless miles of picturesque country roads, yes even in florida, and yes, i have rolling hills, tree lined roads, etc.

wow, sounds like an awful ceo. ceo's must manage and initiate change. adapt or die.

 

He's a very good CEO and inventor, built many companies in the Bay Area, some of the medical devices used in hospitals today were invented by him and are standards of care. He moved on from his BB in 2010, and now you wouldn't catch him without his Samsung Galaxy (never more than two years old), so he's adapted well enough

 

Everything outside of the passenger cage is expendable. All you have to do is look at crash test videos of old cars vs new cars and the difference in how that passenger cage holds up is obvious.

Yes I have. My cars still have personality and character.

I want the "slightly more safe". And the difference between a car performing well in the small overlap crash test and performing poorly is not a slight difference. Its the difference between being dead and being alive.

This is a 2014 Pilot, designed before the new test:


This is the next generation, redesigned because of this test:


Which would you rather be in? 2014 driver is seriously injured or dead, 2016 driver is likely uninjured. Not a small difference.

That is just completely untrue. Just look at the crash tests, and look at passenger fatality stats. Modern cars are dramatically safer.

The lane centering tech is not for safety, its because it makes the vehicle much more relaxing to drive on a long trip. Most consumers want this technology, which is why its developed and added to cars.

 

Okay what exactly is the criteria for "Better"?

It seems everybody has their own interpretation of what it means and its clashing with other's thoughts.

So what do you all mean by Better Car? More Character? Easier to live with? More space? More refinement? More Raw? More engine noise? Less engine noise?

I think its this discrepancy that leads to the endless circular arguments we see here on Car Chat. I feel we need to learn that there is no one correct answer and respect what other's opinions are even if they are different than what our particular Tribe believes in.

 

There was some graphic but good OJ Simpson thing on Reelz last night. Pretty gruesome but the cops talk freely about the whole trial since they can now.

 

I think this might be posted in the wrong thread lol

 

There are a ton of variables as to how the car would crash in the real world and if/how occupants would be injured. I also don't believe every study done on the internet. You fell for that comparison video because that's exactly what Honda engineers want you to believe: the newest car is so much safer than even a slightly older one. This makes them money since the consumer will think "my goodness, I need to buy a brand new car because even though my current car is 2 or 3 years old, it's a death trap and the new one will save my life."

I get that modern cars are safer but modern stretches back 15 or so years. I don't believe that a 2019 is a death trap or some unsafe vehicle that shouldn't be on the road like you think.

 

Sure, we can do that but there are some folks on here that take their opinions and try to turn them into facts. That's why some of us have to keep coming back against them.

 

This is just my opinion @xjokerz but you seem overly fixated on this issue, which is why people keep replying back to you. If I can offer some insight, I think you should just enjoy the cars you like and not worry about what others say, like or don't like. Otherwise it's just never ending circular arguments that continue until eventual thread closure

 

Those videos are from the IIHS not from Honda lol. Those are government crash tests.

You believe what you want, I’ll drive newer and much safer cars thanks…