New Lexus Hybrid: CT 200h (42 MPG) Updated with F-sport Debut
09-13-10, 07:22 AM
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^So the CT200h's maximum power output is the same as the Prius at 134hp, and the 0-60mph acceleration figure is 9.8 seconds, which is the same as the Prius too. Then why is the mileage so much lower than the Prius's combined 50mpg? Such a huge drop for nothing just doesn't make any sense. At 42mpg it's far from impressive for its size and performance.
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09-13-10, 07:44 AM
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Was hoping for 50 MPG. 42 MPG is still best for a luxury ride though.
Lots of small details, 89 possible LED lights and Bamboo speakers. Also the CT is produced alongside the RX 450h and HS 250h in the Kyushu plant.
Seems to be a well thought out vehicle. Pricing will be CRUCIAL.
Lots of small details, 89 possible LED lights and Bamboo speakers. Also the CT is produced alongside the RX 450h and HS 250h in the Kyushu plant.
Seems to be a well thought out vehicle. Pricing will be CRUCIAL.
Entering production at the end of 2010, the CT 200h will be available in the first quarter of 2011.
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09-13-10, 07:50 AM
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09-13-10, 08:01 AM
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Yes the CT should be heavier than the Prius given the (supposedly) better sound-proofing, but I'm guessing Lexus simply overrates the CT's acceleration figure to avoid making the CT's performance look bad on paper next to the Prius.
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09-13-10, 08:08 AM
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Well lets also remember the Prius is strictly for MPG and family transport. The CT is for MPG, luxury and fun. The CT's sport mode surely aggressively changes throttle response for lower MPG. For example there is a huge difference in throttle response in my GSh between sport/normal and in sport I do find myself speeding and driving more aggressively which hurts MPG.
If many buyers are going to use Sport often (looking at who Lexus is aiming for) then MPG will be lower based on driving habits.
50 MPG would have been GREAT to advertise but if the CT would have driven more boring, well I can live with 42 MPG.
In reading that long press release it seems they really did their HW in regards to driving feel.
I have to say I am much more attracted to this than the HS for a sweet Lexus daily for zipping around town.
If many buyers are going to use Sport often (looking at who Lexus is aiming for) then MPG will be lower based on driving habits.
50 MPG would have been GREAT to advertise but if the CT would have driven more boring, well I can live with 42 MPG.
In reading that long press release it seems they really did their HW in regards to driving feel.
I have to say I am much more attracted to this than the HS for a sweet Lexus daily for zipping around town.
09-13-10, 08:19 AM
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Well lets also remember the Prius is strictly for MPG and family transport. The CT is for MPG, luxury and fun. The CT's sport mode surely aggressively changes throttle response for lower MPG. For example there is a huge difference in throttle response in my GSh between sport/normal and in sport I do find myself speeding and driving more aggressively which hurts MPG.
If many buyers are going to use Sport often (looking at who Lexus is aiming for) then MPG will be lower based on driving habits.
50 MPG would have been GREAT to advertise but if the CT would have driven more boring, well I can live with 42 MPG.
In reading that long press release it seems they really did their HW in regards to driving feel.
I have to say I am much more attracted to this than the HS for a sweet Lexus daily for zipping around town.
If many buyers are going to use Sport often (looking at who Lexus is aiming for) then MPG will be lower based on driving habits.
50 MPG would have been GREAT to advertise but if the CT would have driven more boring, well I can live with 42 MPG.
In reading that long press release it seems they really did their HW in regards to driving feel.
I have to say I am much more attracted to this than the HS for a sweet Lexus daily for zipping around town.
Also 0-60 acceleration should have nothing to do with throttle response, but just maximum power output (particularly since no gear shifting is involved here). Since the CT is likely heavier than the Prius I think Lexus overrated the CT's acceleration figure on purpose.
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09-13-10, 08:29 AM
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Is there a regulation that says if a car has different power/ECU modes, then the most powerful/sporty mode must be used for fuel economy testing? If so, I'm impressed that the Prius can get 50mpg in Power mode! I always thought Toyota/Lexus hybrids are tested for fuel economy in Eco mode.
Also 0-60 acceleration should have nothing to do with throttle response, but just maximum power output (particularly since no gear shifting is involved here). Since the CT is likely heavier than the Prius I think Lexus overrated the CT's acceleration figure on purpose.
Also 0-60 acceleration should have nothing to do with throttle response, but just maximum power output (particularly since no gear shifting is involved here). Since the CT is likely heavier than the Prius I think Lexus overrated the CT's acceleration figure on purpose.
I totally agree with your weight argument.
50 MPG would have been GREAT to advertise.Europeans will love this part.
What is truly brilliant about the CT200h is that it emits only 96g/km of carbon dioxide. That qualifies it for free annual road fund licence/registration and the only car in the executive sector to do so.
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09-13-10, 08:55 AM
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There is a difference in SPORT mode in the CT compared to the Prius.
Higher engine revs=lower MPG. So along with weight (not sure of weight yet) this could be why MPG is lower.
Sport mode focuses on dynamic driving, maximizing the CT 200h's high performance and handling. Engine revs are held higher, and throttle and power steering settings are modified to give a faster response to driver inputs. Sport mode also provides less intrusive operation of the vehicle stability control and traction control systems.
09-13-10, 08:57 AM
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Yeah, but that would be assuming that the fuel economy testings were done in sport/power modes, which I doubt...
09-13-10, 09:05 AM
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Simulated gearing since its a CVT
I think we all are on the right track here.