Mister Two

Then I find it hard to believe that the CT beats the Prius in fuel economy. Something must be wrong here.

MR_F1

The lower the yen is, the better for us wrt pricing. Japanese cars are more expensive now because of a stronger yen.

spwolf

you are talking about 0.1l 100/km? does it matter is it 3.7l or 3.9l? In any case, I doubt that model will sell a lot anyway, best seller will be more equipped version with 17" wheels which will get >4 l/100km consumption, like Prius with top packages.

Mister Two

The significance is that the CT200h beats the Prius in fuel economy, however miniscule the margin might be--it just shouldn't happen. I just looked up the Prius on Toyota UK's website and the 3.9L/100km figure is listed alongside the 89g/km figure so the testing must've been done on 15" wheels too. Apple-to-apple comparison. There's just no logical reason why the CT can better the Prius in fuel economy, particularly when the CT trails the Prius by a margin as large as 42 vs 50mpg in the US, so large that it can't be explained by the different wheel sizes alone (after all Toyota made sure the 17"-wheel Prius gets 50mpg too). These supposedly-official numbers are so far very confusing to say the least.

spwolf

those logical reasons dont change if consumption is 3.8 or 3.9.

Prius 3.9l and 89g is for lighter version with 15" wheels.

Toyota did not actually publish specs for heavier version in the USA, it does not get the same mileage, just like CT200h gets 89g in lighter version and 96g in heavier version.

Reason you see it mentioned here is because in UK, lighter version will not be sold at all...

Logically, CT200h should not compare with Prius at all. Car has more equipment, worse Cd and is luxury vehicle so more weight for sound proofing, suspension, thicker plastics, etc... it should not perform anywhere close to the Prius.


here is one quote from priuschat that explain the same mpg for all US Prius:

In general, for every car, there would be difference in measured consumption between base model and one with all the equipment. So if not for such rules (i believe it is something about most common model sold), manufacturers would have to rate every model specifically which would have be very expensive.

So I dont think question is 3.8l or 3.9l, I think the question is how the heck do you do that with car that should be so much heavier than Prius? Difference might be platform that was design to be lighter, because Prius already has all the light tricks in the books.

spwolf

In Slovakia, they announced specs and prices - 0-100kmh in 10.3s, and consumption of 3.8l. Prius is 3.9l and 10.4. These are in normal mode.

And pricing has been announced as 27.9k Euros - which is really excellent pricing since thats the price of mid spec Prius in Slovakia! So if pricing is actually competitive with mid Prius, then I can see them selling really well here... It is 10% less than base IS220d.

LexFather

http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/l...pdf?ncid=20088

Its cut off but weight seems to be 3130......

MPLexus301

iTrader: (3)

If true, the CT (with a hybrid powertrain and plenty of Lexus goodies) weighs 10 lbs LESS than the Matrix, which it is loosely based on.

I think that is pretty stellar.

Mister Two

So the CT weighs 88 lbs more than the Prius on 15" wheels.Why are you comparing the CT with the Matrix 2.4? Compared with the regular Matrix 1.8 automatic at 2965 lbs, the CT weighs 165 lbs more, which sounds about right.

MPLexus301

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I only saw figures for the 2.4...didnt think to look at the 1.8. I am still impressed with the weight. I was expecting something around 3300lbs.

JessePS

It could be 3130 or 3180 or 3410 or 3480.

I just want the price list.

MPLexus301

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Just called and informed them that the PDF is cut off.....I want to know how much it weighs

mmarshall

Many factors could explain it, particularly if you are talking about differences in Euro-vs. American models. Not only are gasoline-blends different between America and Europe (gasoline blends in the U.S. also differ from summer to winter, by EPA decree).........that can affect mileage. Does the CT require Premium gas? Depending on where it is sold, how it differs from regular, and how the engine computers adjust to it, that can also affect mileage. Tire tread/composition, weather conditions, test-conditions, amount of weight in the car, type of terrain on the road, A/C use........all that, and more, affects mileage.

Mister Two

Just use your mouse to highlight the number, right click, select copy and then paste the number to your notepad. You'll see that it's indeed 3130.

MPLexus301

iTrader: (3)

^ Tricky, tricky!