New Lexus Hybrid: CT 200h (42 MPG) Updated with F-sport Debut
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seems like mediocre reviews across the board.
you can say they're all haters, but there's gotta be a lot of truth too.
reviews like the one above are why I believe lexus will not even reach 8000 sales/yr in the US.
Americans will not embrace an anemic expensive compact car with useless interior space.
god damn. the sticker price is over $40000 as tested. Put it back on the failboat
you can say they're all haters, but there's gotta be a lot of truth too.
reviews like the one above are why I believe lexus will not even reach 8000 sales/yr in the US.
Americans will not embrace an anemic expensive compact car with useless interior space.
god damn. the sticker price is over $40000 as tested. Put it back on the failboat
Will even a measly 12k be hard to achieve here. Yes, especially if gas stays around the $2.50 mark for regular gas.
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seems like mediocre reviews across the board.
you can say they're all haters, but there's gotta be a lot of truth too.
reviews like the one above are why I believe lexus will not even reach 8000 sales/yr in the US.
Americans will not embrace an anemic expensive compact car with useless interior space.
god damn. the sticker price is over $40000 as tested. Put it back on the failboat
you can say they're all haters, but there's gotta be a lot of truth too.
reviews like the one above are why I believe lexus will not even reach 8000 sales/yr in the US.
Americans will not embrace an anemic expensive compact car with useless interior space.
god damn. the sticker price is over $40000 as tested. Put it back on the failboat
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Just dont expect it to review well in Europe, as they usually do not. I dont believe Lexus has ever won comparo in Europe, and sales here are 10x less than in USA. For a while Toyota started winning german Autobild comparos and Auris was even first vehicle in 25 year history to beat Golf, but once recession hit, nothing but german goes to the top 3 places
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What CT200h is small premium hatchback with good space and sporty drive, luxury cabin and apparently good price. It has good space at the back (compared to other premium hatches more), good trunk, extra good mpg compared to best of diesels and decent oomph. If someone expects WRX beater for Yaris price, well it is wrong car.
But this is European bread and butter vehicle category. This is what Camry is in Europe.
The good news: I've driven the new Lexus CT 200h hybrid. The bad news: I can't talk about it. Drive impressions are under embargo (a gentleman's agreement not to spill the beans until all the journos have had a chance to drive) until mid-October, although Lexus assures me I will not be breaking the embargo by telling you that I like it*. You can read as much into that as you wish, and considering how much I disliked Lexus' other recent hybrid, the HS 250h, I suggest you read in quite a bit. The CT 200h seems a rather strange move for Lexus, but once you get the full story -- which will happen on October 12th at 3:00 pm Pacific time -- I think you'll understand.
And lets not forget What Car that got 5-6 people who own similar cars check it out and all A3 buyers were extremely positive about it.
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/lexu...m-video/252184
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p.s. In Europe consumption matters a lot... maybe not to Bugatti driving journos, but used car values are crazy depending on consumption.
I have to replace my GS350AWD since I moved, and i am looking at 530d and A6 3.0Q... And versions with 3.0l engines drop in value much faster than smaller engines... and situation is such that 2 year 530xd costs same as base CT200h
. Now imagine if your 530xi would drop in price from 70k to 30k in 2 years, well thats whats happening here... Only small cars and very frugal cars are holding value.
I have to replace my GS350AWD since I moved, and i am looking at 530d and A6 3.0Q... And versions with 3.0l engines drop in value much faster than smaller engines... and situation is such that 2 year 530xd costs same as base CT200h
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people recognize lexus as a well-built car, but it usually doesn't win comparisons against the germans here either.
it will always be third, and sometimes 2nd, place.
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seems like mediocre reviews across the board.
you can say they're all haters, but there's gotta be a lot of truth too.
reviews like the one above are why I believe lexus will not even reach 8000 sales/yr in the US.
Americans will not embrace an anemic expensive compact car with useless interior space.
god damn. the sticker price is over $40000 as tested. Put it back on the failboat
you can say they're all haters, but there's gotta be a lot of truth too.
reviews like the one above are why I believe lexus will not even reach 8000 sales/yr in the US.
Americans will not embrace an anemic expensive compact car with useless interior space.
god damn. the sticker price is over $40000 as tested. Put it back on the failboat
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link i posted earlier had some more info on the vehicle interior:
- nuleather is softer than german fake leather, still not as soft as perforated leather
- only black leather for Euro markets
- wood decorations will be changeable as accessories at dealers.
- nuleather is softer than german fake leather, still not as soft as perforated leather
- only black leather for Euro markets
- wood decorations will be changeable as accessories at dealers.
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Or Toyota reviews after recession hit... Toyota Rav4 in 2007, 100kmh-0 36m, wow brakes!.... Toyota Rav4 in 2009, 100kmh-0 in 40m, awful brakes! (Same model, nothing changed except 3 new German SUVs on the market). Valvematic vs TSI - Valvematic engines are cheaper, burn less fuel, go faster, yet car gets rated worse because in that case, those things are not important anymore.... You have bunch of germans complaining in the forums how VW wins every comparo
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A lot of "enthusiasts" in Europe hate Lexus, thinking it is cheap Toyota with cheap interiors (in reality of course they probably never sat in one as it is usually considerably higher quality than competition
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Of course cause they've never driven it or seen it and they will never own it. Not to sound like a douche but reason is quite simple: Lexus offers only big V6s and V8s which they cannot afford to buy, pay taxes and refill em in neither BMW, Merc or Audi. So they stick with 525d, btw not a bad car by any means but its just not close to GS350. Period.
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And EVO just drilled it and I am a fan of their writing....mind you they gave the IS F 5 out of 5 stars
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...id_review.html
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...id_review.html
Chief engineer Osamu Sadakata says Lexus is considering a 2.0-litre turbo engine, which is exactly what the CT200h needs.
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So this is turning out to be the Euro HS, at least from the reviews....great. I'm beginning to think it might flop, it needed to be a knockout, but isn't. The brand snobs will just ignore it.
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They are 17" optional F-sport wheels patterend after the concept
Or maybe 18" not sure
The HS drives pretty good though, it just looks horrid, is priced high and is odd inside. The CT seems to have a ton of work done on its suspension but its not translating to good reviews.
It needs MORE POWER. A solid chassis needs power to exploit what its capable of. 100hp or so ain't gonna do it in 3100lbs.
As for Euro snobs, yeah its a tough sell there but it has low emissions and possibly no tax going for it.
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It needs MORE POWER. A solid chassis needs power to exploit what its capable of. 100hp or so ain't gonna do it in 3100lbs.
As for Euro snobs, yeah its a tough sell there but it has low emissions and possibly no tax going for it.
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And EVO just drilled it and I am a fan of their writing....mind you they gave the IS F 5 out of 5 stars
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...id_review.html
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...id_review.html
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Well I guess they didn't sit inside 118d or A3 now those cabins are ubber boredom to be in and to look at. And at least half 1eries and A3 come with manual AC and rear windows.