How come no new ESs here????
#16
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2002 owner here...
i never post anything tho cuz my car is stock, and will remain so till i get a real job and save up...
right now, im jus aiming for 18' or 19' rims.
i never post anything tho cuz my car is stock, and will remain so till i get a real job and save up...
right now, im jus aiming for 18' or 19' rims.
#17
I have '02 ES. And this car is completely bland for me. I do not see any reason to change wheels since it won't give the car better look. I think that previous ES had much better look. In anyway, I'm pretty sure that ES is the best car in its segment. (I considered Audi A6, Saab 9-5, Infiniti I35, BMW 530, Acura TL-S).
#18
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I don't think I care for the general direction auto design is going, sharper angles, real funky looking bubbly headlights (Celica and Cougar for example) and that sort of thing. I think Sick is right that the industry has hit a little bit of a sticking point. I guess I prefer smoother curves and lines. I like the little older designs of Lexus and just in general. The 98-plus GS is one of my favorites, there's just something about that design that I really like, it's a car with presence. I like the design of the first two generations of ES better than the new ones as well, but the new ES has grown on me a little, that kit from Japan that was posted a while back did alot for it IMO. New wheels would really help for me too.
#19
Originally posted by Kyle Harty
I don't think I care for the general direction auto design is going, sharper angles, real funky looking bubbly headlights (Celica and Cougar for example) and that sort of thing. I think Sick is right that the industry has hit a little bit of a sticking point. I guess I prefer smoother curves and lines. I like the little older designs of Lexus and just in general. The 98-plus GS is one of my favorites, there's just something about that design that I really like, it's a car with presence. I like the design of the first two generations of ES better than the new ones as well, but the new ES has grown on me a little, that kit from Japan that was posted a while back did alot for it IMO. New wheels would really help for me too.
I don't think I care for the general direction auto design is going, sharper angles, real funky looking bubbly headlights (Celica and Cougar for example) and that sort of thing. I think Sick is right that the industry has hit a little bit of a sticking point. I guess I prefer smoother curves and lines. I like the little older designs of Lexus and just in general. The 98-plus GS is one of my favorites, there's just something about that design that I really like, it's a car with presence. I like the design of the first two generations of ES better than the new ones as well, but the new ES has grown on me a little, that kit from Japan that was posted a while back did alot for it IMO. New wheels would really help for me too.
#20
Originally posted by Lex Diamonds
Agreed - I prefer the older models. The original design of the GS, Italian designed, will always be a favorite.
Agreed - I prefer the older models. The original design of the GS, Italian designed, will always be a favorite.
Does anyone like the styling that Infiniti is heading towards? I really like it for some reason...different yet stil "sophisticated"....the same goes with MB, even though I would probably always choose a lexus over the MB because of reliability.
And as Kyle Harty mentioned...the new ES is growing on me...but now that I think about it...what I think has always made "luxury" cars in general so beautiful, as compared to perhaps their counterparts (like toyota vs lexus) was they always seem to have had the right portions. Maybe that is why I don't care too much for the new ES, because the body seems to big for the wheels, where the wheels actually are slightly inside the body, as opposed to being flush, also I don't like the bubbleness ala Buick, of the new models of Lexus (guess is the reason why i like the exterior of the IS, more boxy)....just my thoughts though..
#21
Lexus Test Driver
Originally posted by Mind18
Does anyone like the styling that Infiniti is heading towards? I really like it for some reason...different yet stil "sophisticated"....the same goes with MB, even though I would probably always choose a lexus over the MB because of reliability.
Does anyone like the styling that Infiniti is heading towards? I really like it for some reason...different yet stil "sophisticated"....the same goes with MB, even though I would probably always choose a lexus over the MB because of reliability.
As far as Infiniti, I don't know. The G35 is definately a step up from Infiniti's old designs but the other models are nothing special. The only thing I like about the Q45 is the headlights, other than that the styling is plain and uninspired. The M45 looks lifted, 18" rims on a car that appears to sit so high off the ground????
In my opinion, I feel BMW has done a phenomenal job with the new 7-series. At first, I thought it was ugly, but after studying the styling more I realize it is quite novel. The car has a presence, when you see a 7 series, you know it's a 7-series.
#22
Originally posted by XenonES3
I agree with you on the benz argument. I really like the 00-02 E-class. My favorite. The S and new C look very sophisticated, but E has this presence.
As far as Infiniti, I don't know. The G35 is definately a step up from Infiniti's old designs but the other models are nothing special. The only thing I like about the Q45 is the headlights, other than that the styling is plain and uninspired. The M45 looks lifted, 18" rims on a car that appears to sit so high off the ground????
In my opinion, I feel BMW has done a phenomenal job with the new 7-series. At first, I thought it was ugly, but after studying the styling more I realize it is quite novel. The car has a presence, when you see a 7 series, you know it's a 7-series.
I agree with you on the benz argument. I really like the 00-02 E-class. My favorite. The S and new C look very sophisticated, but E has this presence.
As far as Infiniti, I don't know. The G35 is definately a step up from Infiniti's old designs but the other models are nothing special. The only thing I like about the Q45 is the headlights, other than that the styling is plain and uninspired. The M45 looks lifted, 18" rims on a car that appears to sit so high off the ground????
In my opinion, I feel BMW has done a phenomenal job with the new 7-series. At first, I thought it was ugly, but after studying the styling more I realize it is quite novel. The car has a presence, when you see a 7 series, you know it's a 7-series.
#23
obviously another agreement to the 7 series statement. the new 7 series has been very well developed and designed. a friend of mine has the semi-old 740iL Sport, and even though it's a good... 2... years old, it's still a great looking car. even though 7 coats of wax is NEVER enough for that car... the 745 in my opinion looks more sophisticated, and the tail lamps, and small tail lamp strips add an extra little bit of style to the car's design. just my $.02
#24
I'm not a fan of the new 7 at all, I think its a big step backwards from the lithe type of sporty nature of BMW cars.
As for the new design trend with Lexus, its not that the cars are bad looking, its just that Lexus is starting to take a little more risk with their cars. I think that the cars now take some getting used to whereas before they were a little closer to what we're used to. In a way maybe what made everyone else say that Lexus is a bland car is what made them so good looking to us? I dunno.
When the SC430, LS430, and the ES300 came out, I really disliked them. I remember going with my dad to drive the LS430 and thinking how much better looking his car is than the new one. He agreed, and obviously kept his over the 430. As time has gone on, the 430 has really grown on me to the point that at certain styling vantage points look better than the previous gen. Now I like the LS430, SC430 and obviously the new ES. I think what we're seeing is Lexus breaking their molds in favor of creating a new stronger family image, and you can see it. The GX has a really strong family tie with the LS, the new RX is said to also, and the new GS is said to be SC meets GS.
Think of it this way, you can't please everyone, and Lexus' previous attempts to please as many people as they can by not pushing the envelope earned them a reputation as being "soulless driving appliances". Now that they have the sales wins and accolades behind them, they can take more chances. Sales just keep going up and up too...
As for the new design trend with Lexus, its not that the cars are bad looking, its just that Lexus is starting to take a little more risk with their cars. I think that the cars now take some getting used to whereas before they were a little closer to what we're used to. In a way maybe what made everyone else say that Lexus is a bland car is what made them so good looking to us? I dunno.
When the SC430, LS430, and the ES300 came out, I really disliked them. I remember going with my dad to drive the LS430 and thinking how much better looking his car is than the new one. He agreed, and obviously kept his over the 430. As time has gone on, the 430 has really grown on me to the point that at certain styling vantage points look better than the previous gen. Now I like the LS430, SC430 and obviously the new ES. I think what we're seeing is Lexus breaking their molds in favor of creating a new stronger family image, and you can see it. The GX has a really strong family tie with the LS, the new RX is said to also, and the new GS is said to be SC meets GS.
Think of it this way, you can't please everyone, and Lexus' previous attempts to please as many people as they can by not pushing the envelope earned them a reputation as being "soulless driving appliances". Now that they have the sales wins and accolades behind them, they can take more chances. Sales just keep going up and up too...
#25
Lexus Test Driver
Originally posted by SW03ES
Think of it this way, you can't please everyone, and Lexus' previous attempts to please as many people as they can by not pushing the envelope earned them a reputation as being "soulless driving appliances". Now that they have the sales wins and accolades behind them, they can take more chances. Sales just keep going up and up too...
Think of it this way, you can't please everyone, and Lexus' previous attempts to please as many people as they can by not pushing the envelope earned them a reputation as being "soulless driving appliances". Now that they have the sales wins and accolades behind them, they can take more chances. Sales just keep going up and up too...
Ask any IS300 owner, "If you had 10 grand extra to spend, would you have gotten a 330i?" And I guarantee most would say "yes!"
#26
that's a good comparison. my friend just got a Acura CL-S, and his mom is gonna go buy a brand new 330Ci, and i can't wait to test it out. i personally would take a 330 over a IS3 if i had the money... but i don't, so both of them are outta the question.
#27
Xenon-
Think of it this way though, thats Lexus' first attempt at that kinda car (I dislike the IS all around). Give them some time. I'm sure the next IS will be fantastic, I hear it'll have the 4.3 liter as an option and still be $10k cheaper! I don't think you can fairly call the current IS a soul-less driving appliance though, I think it definately has a soul and a personality all its own. I also think the same is true of the new SC. Infiniti has done a bang up job on their new G series of cars, all the reviews say they're better than the 3 series, you know Lexus won't stand for that lol.
Think of it this way though, thats Lexus' first attempt at that kinda car (I dislike the IS all around). Give them some time. I'm sure the next IS will be fantastic, I hear it'll have the 4.3 liter as an option and still be $10k cheaper! I don't think you can fairly call the current IS a soul-less driving appliance though, I think it definately has a soul and a personality all its own. I also think the same is true of the new SC. Infiniti has done a bang up job on their new G series of cars, all the reviews say they're better than the 3 series, you know Lexus won't stand for that lol.
#28
Lexus Test Driver
SW03ES-
You make a good point about how this was Lexus' first attempt at an entry-level sporty luxury sedan. BMW has had five or six attempts. There is an advantage right there.
Lexus is definately on the right track, but they still can't beat BMW in terms of all-round performance.
Let's wait and see what the IS430 and new GS deliver.
You make a good point about how this was Lexus' first attempt at an entry-level sporty luxury sedan. BMW has had five or six attempts. There is an advantage right there.
Lexus is definately on the right track, but they still can't beat BMW in terms of all-round performance.
Let's wait and see what the IS430 and new GS deliver.
#29
Originally posted by XenonES3
The ES is THE BEST SELLING LUXURY SEDAN (minus the 3-series, Town Car, and Deville, they don't fall into the same category). Last time I checked, it had a solid lead on the 3.2TL.
As for mods on new ES's--> There's a guy with 18" Nakayama Speedsters, spoiler, tint....car looks good.
There is another member who has 21's on an 02 model.
Those Lowenharts should look great!
The ES is THE BEST SELLING LUXURY SEDAN (minus the 3-series, Town Car, and Deville, they don't fall into the same category). Last time I checked, it had a solid lead on the 3.2TL.
As for mods on new ES's--> There's a guy with 18" Nakayama Speedsters, spoiler, tint....car looks good.
There is another member who has 21's on an 02 model.
Those Lowenharts should look great!
#30
Originally posted by XenonES3
SW03ES-
Lexus is definately on the right track, but they still can't beat BMW in terms of all-round performance.
SW03ES-
Lexus is definately on the right track, but they still can't beat BMW in terms of all-round performance.