ES - 1st to 4th Gen (1990-2006) Forum for all 1990 - 2006 ES300 and ES330 models. ES250 topics go here as well.

car starts after giving it a jump, but dies again - bad battery or alternator?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-29-13, 08:21 AM
  #1  
topgun129
Rookie
Thread Starter
 
topgun129's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Il
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default car starts after giving it a jump, but dies again - bad battery or alternator?

Hi All,

I went to start my car this morning and it wouldn't start. I jumped the battery from another car and it immediately started (like within a minute of connecting the cables). When I started to drive the car I noticed the cruise light in the dashboard was dimming a little and when the transmission was shifting the car jerked/hesitated for a moment.

I'm wondering is this a battery issue (it is old on my car and there is some corrosion on the terminals) or could it be the alternator?

After seeing all this I immediately drove the car back home. After turning it off I went to turn on the car again and it would not start.
Old 07-29-13, 09:29 AM
  #2  
BDSL
Lexus Test Driver
 
BDSL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 1,239
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

After boosting, remove the cables and let the engine idle. If the engine stalls after a few minutes, then your alternator is faulty.
Old 07-29-13, 11:23 AM
  #3  
Hayk
Lead Lap
iTrader: (1)
 
Hayk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,101
Received 291 Likes on 230 Posts
Default

Have the battery tested at AutoZone or a local car shop. They have a machine that can put a load on the battery and see how strong it is. They can also test the alternator, which is quite simple.
Old 07-29-13, 11:34 AM
  #4  
topgun129
Rookie
Thread Starter
 
topgun129's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Il
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i'm assuming to test the alternator i would have to remove it?
Old 07-29-13, 12:02 PM
  #5  
Hayk
Lead Lap
iTrader: (1)
 
Hayk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,101
Received 291 Likes on 230 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by topgun129
i'm assuming to test the alternator i would have to remove it?
No, not at all. You can test its charging ability while the car is running. It should produce over 14 volts if it's able to charge the battery, if I recall correctly.
Old 07-29-13, 01:03 PM
  #6  
repairmatt
Pit Crew
 
repairmatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Ohio
Posts: 136
Received 44 Likes on 25 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by MrBooby
No, not at all. You can test its charging ability while the car is running. It should produce over 14 volts if it's able to charge the battery, if I recall correctly.
Yep, that is correct. Quick way to test if you have a DMM (digital multimeter): Set the meter to DC volts (or if it auto-selects between AC and DC just put it on the "volts" setting), put the red lead of the meter on the positive terminal of the battery and the black on the negative terminal. It should read about 13v at idle. Revving it pushes it up near 14v. If it doesn't do this when you rev it or the voltage stays near 12v and is falling as the car runs, you have a bad alternator. If you had a bad battery it would run okay and act normal as you drove around, but you would likely have to jump it every time you start it again.

Last edited by repairmatt; 07-29-13 at 01:07 PM.
Old 08-01-13, 07:50 AM
  #7  
pauloil
Pole Position
 
pauloil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: iowa
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by BDSL
After boosting, remove the cables and let the engine idle. If the engine stalls after a few minutes, then your alternator is faulty.
NEVER remove cables from batt. unless car is OFF. good way to fry alternator and cause other problems.

I agree with the last post: get a DVM. normal batt voltage is 12.4 to 12.6, 13.5 with alt. spinning.
Old 08-01-13, 08:12 AM
  #8  
285exp
Pole Position
 
285exp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Alabama
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by pauloil
NEVER remove cables from batt. unless car is OFF. good way to fry alternator and cause other problems.

I agree with the last post: get a DVM. normal batt voltage is 12.4 to 12.6, 13.5 with alt. spinning.
I suspect he means the jumper cables, not the battery cables.
Old 08-01-13, 08:43 AM
  #9  
BDSL
Lexus Test Driver
 
BDSL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 1,239
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 285exp
I suspect he means the jumper cables, not the battery cables.
Yes. Thanks for the clarification.
I used "the cable" because that was what the OP called it. I don't want to confuse him.
Old 08-01-13, 10:13 AM
  #10  
pauloil
Pole Position
 
pauloil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: iowa
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

thanks for the clarification. I think a car will also not run well and stall with a faulty battery. you can't charge a dead battery
Old 08-01-13, 03:41 PM
  #11  
BDSL
Lexus Test Driver
 
BDSL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 1,239
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by pauloil
thanks for the clarification. I think a car will also not run well and stall with a faulty battery. you can't charge a dead battery
Yes, it can run with a dead battery.
Old 08-03-13, 10:02 AM
  #12  
DRACO A5OG
Lead Lap
 
DRACO A5OG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: California
Posts: 514
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Autozone or AAA can isolate the issue, then you would need to remove the component to make certain, because according to Autozone, their analysis is only 90% accurate on the car, still not bad but it could be something else.

For me it was a suspected bad alternator but when I benched it was fine then I tracked it down to a bad connector. Saved bucks that way.

Get a DVM ( digital volt meter ) it will save you more than once and well worth it.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bmgs400
GS - 2nd Gen (1998-2005)
10
02-03-20 07:41 AM
ncruver87
GS - 2nd Gen (1998-2005)
19
03-13-18 04:43 PM
amoney805
Performance
15
12-15-13 08:36 AM
GSLEX0586
GS - 3rd Gen (2006-2011)
4
11-28-10 06:38 PM
Sintari
Performance & Maintenance
21
07-22-07 07:35 PM



Quick Reply: car starts after giving it a jump, but dies again - bad battery or alternator?



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:16 PM.