ES - 1st to 4th Gen (1990-2006) Forum for all 1990 - 2006 ES300 and ES330 models. ES250 topics go here as well.

1998 ES300 Suspension Restoration

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-22-18, 07:06 PM
  #1  
indigo6
Driver School Candidate
Thread Starter
 
indigo6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: CA
Posts: 10
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default 1998 ES300 Suspension Restoration

Hi All,

I have a 1998 ES300. Mechanically, it’s sound. Other than a intermittently rough 1->2 shift and slow kick down, it’s in excellent shape.

The car is about 4 inches below ride height spec, and the struts are worn. I’m looking at struts, springs, and strut mounts, as well as other things like lower control arms, etc. It’s all coming out to more than the car is worth if I go OEM.

I’d like to get the original ride quality back, I hesitate to go aftermarket because I’ve hear bad things about harshness in the ride.

My first question would be, what is really needed to restore the suspension on this car? I have a parts list here https://1drv.ms/x/s!AnGd80lWzyCbwGbkmK2uCdco4HL_ but it’s quite involved and expensive. What aftermarket parts, if any, give the best ride and best value?

Thanks!
Old 03-22-18, 09:14 PM
  #2  
LeX2K
Lexus Fanatic
 
LeX2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Alberta
Posts: 20,189
Received 2,929 Likes on 2,467 Posts
Default

Nothing duplicates the ride of the factory struts unfortunately. Upper mounts use OEM same with springs. The rest of the parts in your list the car will need to be inspected to see what you do and do not actually need. Also check out this thread
The following users liked this post:
indigo6 (03-23-18)
Old 03-22-18, 11:19 PM
  #3  
Oro
Racer
 
Oro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: wa
Posts: 1,951
Received 379 Likes on 330 Posts
Default

If your car is sagging that much all around, your springs are severely worn, front and rear. A quick strut would simplify things for you.

I would likely brake this into two jobs. Consider buying four KYB quick-struts - this is the only aftermarket brand I would trust for this. They are not unreasonably priced. The quick-strut will have what you need in one package, and you don't need to buy boots, insulators, mounts, etc. KYB is the OE strut supplier and their product will likely be the closest you can get to stock outside the dealership. I am using their shocks (Excel/GR2) and the original springs in front (were not worn) and Moog aftermarket springs in rear and the ride is excellent; I have had them in for about 50k miles. I saved a fortune off dealer parts and after breaking in, cannot tell a difference. Nothing could be called "harsh."

While you have the struts out, you can take a close look around for other worn parts. Ball joints, Tie rod ends, lower control arm bushings, rear control arm/stabilizer arm bushings, etc. (Sway bar bushings rarely go bad on these cars IME, and the front one - at least on the 2002 and up, are nearly impossible to replace). List what you want/need to replace and then come back and do that as a 2nd job hitting what is needed instead of taking a fire-hose approach all at once. Know that replacing a front strut will require an alignment quickly to avoid wrecking the tires. Lower control arms might necessitate that too (in the front).

Before you do the struts, jack up the front and wiggle the front tire in different planes, and spin it while holding one hand on the spring. See if you need bearings, lower ball joints, or tie rod ends (you can google how to evaluate that). If the suspension is that worn, these parts should be suspect, too, and evaluated.

As to the struts - even if replacing all together with a quick strut - one thing I would do is disassemble the OE struts and retain the OE upper mounts before tossing them. A little bit of a pain but can save you pain later just in case. This is a common failure point many people mention on aftermarket units. I tend to now think the failure rate is likely due to installation error and under-torqueing the upper bolts, which is often a little tricky to do and I think many DIY mechanics get it wrong.

Another point, I noticed you had radiator on your list. I replaced ours last summer and got the heavy duty OE Denso radiator for $50 delivered from Amazon Warehouse. So shop around, there are plenty of high quality OE and aftermarket parts for these cars out there for cheap. RockAuto always has bargain bin parts at low prices, but also quality aftermarket stuff at good prices, too.

last point, what color is your radiator fluid? I "think" Toyota switched to HOAT red in '96-ish and your factory fill would have been red. You need to be careful with this when you change radiators.

Last edited by Oro; 03-22-18 at 11:26 PM.
The following users liked this post:
indigo6 (03-23-18)
Old 03-23-18, 11:56 AM
  #4  
indigo6
Driver School Candidate
Thread Starter
 
indigo6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: CA
Posts: 10
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Oro
If your car is sagging that much all around, your springs are severely worn, front and rear. A quick strut would simplify things for you.

I would likely brake this into two jobs. Consider buying four KYB quick-struts - this is the only aftermarket brand I would trust for this. They are not unreasonably priced. The quick-strut will have what you need in one package, and you don't need to buy boots, insulators, mounts, etc. KYB is the OE strut supplier and their product will likely be the closest you can get to stock outside the dealership. I am using their shocks (Excel/GR2) and the original springs in front (were not worn) and Moog aftermarket springs in rear and the ride is excellent; I have had them in for about 50k miles. I saved a fortune off dealer parts and after breaking in, cannot tell a difference. Nothing could be called "harsh."

While you have the struts out, you can take a close look around for other worn parts. Ball joints, Tie rod ends, lower control arm bushings, rear control arm/stabilizer arm bushings, etc. (Sway bar bushings rarely go bad on these cars IME, and the front one - at least on the 2002 and up, are nearly impossible to replace). List what you want/need to replace and then come back and do that as a 2nd job hitting what is needed instead of taking a fire-hose approach all at once. Know that replacing a front strut will require an alignment quickly to avoid wrecking the tires. Lower control arms might necessitate that too (in the front).

Before you do the struts, jack up the front and wiggle the front tire in different planes, and spin it while holding one hand on the spring. See if you need bearings, lower ball joints, or tie rod ends (you can google how to evaluate that). If the suspension is that worn, these parts should be suspect, too, and evaluated.

As to the struts - even if replacing all together with a quick strut - one thing I would do is disassemble the OE struts and retain the OE upper mounts before tossing them. A little bit of a pain but can save you pain later just in case. This is a common failure point many people mention on aftermarket units. I tend to now think the failure rate is likely due to installation error and under-torqueing the upper bolts, which is often a little tricky to do and I think many DIY mechanics get it wrong.

Another point, I noticed you had radiator on your list. I replaced ours last summer and got the heavy duty OE Denso radiator for $50 delivered from Amazon Warehouse. So shop around, there are plenty of high quality OE and aftermarket parts for these cars out there for cheap. RockAuto always has bargain bin parts at low prices, but also quality aftermarket stuff at good prices, too.

last point, what color is your radiator fluid? I "think" Toyota switched to HOAT red in '96-ish and your factory fill would have been red. You need to be careful with this when you change radiators.
It does use Toyota red coolant. So far I’ve used the OEM 50/50. I’m thinking it might be more trouble than it’s worth. I may just sell the car.
Old 03-29-18, 07:22 PM
  #5  
indigo6
Driver School Candidate
Thread Starter
 
indigo6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: CA
Posts: 10
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Thanks all! I’ve decided to go for it. I was going to sell the ES and get a newer LS, but that’s just more debt. Most of the bushings are torn, so I’ll probably have to replace it all. Buying OEM, it ends up being a pretty penny. Anyone know of a good source for OEM parts at some kind of discount? Thanks!
Old 04-02-18, 12:18 AM
  #6  
ALISC400
Rookie
 
ALISC400's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: DUBAI
Posts: 77
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by indigo6
Thanks all! I’ve decided to go for it. I was going to sell the ES and get a newer LS, but that’s just more debt. Most of the bushings are torn, so I’ll probably have to replace it all. Buying OEM, it ends up being a pretty penny. Anyone know of a good source for OEM parts at some kind of discount? Thanks!
In my personal experience, I've found scrapyards / accident cars to be my best bet for cheap parts. IT does take a while and I'd say a mechanic could help but this has helped me rebuild and save a lot of money in the long run. IF its absolutely necessary and I can find OEM then I'd get it from the local dealer
Old 04-02-18, 02:42 PM
  #7  
ES300TX
Driver
 
ES300TX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: TX
Posts: 77
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by indigo6
Thanks all! I’ve decided to go for it. I was going to sell the ES and get a newer LS, but that’s just more debt. Most of the bushings are torn, so I’ll probably have to replace it all. Buying OEM, it ends up being a pretty penny. Anyone know of a good source for OEM parts at some kind of discount? Thanks!
It depends on what you are looking for. I would use partsgeek or rockauto.com for all sorts of parts. I have used them for suspension parts, struts, brakes, and just about anything that comes up. Sometimes Rock doesn't have what I need, so I migrate to other sites. That doesn't happen too often. I am very happy with them.

I am pretty sure that you can find discount Lexus parts online. I bought a valve cover and plenum gasket when I was attempting to do a spark plug job.

I think you are doing the right thing. Sure, you might be able to find another car that is nicer, etc, but you don't know what is going on with it either, although your car has suspension mods, so it might end up costing you some money. You still know what you have at that point.

Unless I get a burr in my saddle about getting an LS430, I'm staying with mine for a long time as it was only about $5500 when I bought it.
Old 04-04-18, 02:11 AM
  #8  
samsonn25
Intermediate
 
samsonn25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: pa
Posts: 482
Received 47 Likes on 41 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by indigo6
Hi All,

I have a 1998 ES300. Mechanically, it’s sound. Other than a intermittently rough 1->2 shift and slow kick down, it’s in excellent shape.

The car is about 4 inches below ride height spec, and the struts are worn. I’m looking at struts, springs, and strut mounts, as well as other things like lower control arms, etc. It’s all coming out to more than the car is worth if I go OEM.

I’d like to get the original ride quality back, I hesitate to go aftermarket because I’ve hear bad things about harshness in the ride.

My first question would be, what is really needed to restore the suspension on this car? I have a parts list here https://1drv.ms/x/s!AnGd80lWzyCbwGbkmK2uCdco4HL_ but it’s quite involved and expensive. What aftermarket parts, if any, give the best ride and best value?

Thanks!
Unfortunately the factory struts are about $1700 for all 4. Then there is little stuff like springs, isolaters, strut top mounts, boots, etc. Not including labor, this is easily costing more than the car is worth if you bought another one similar to yours.

I got the KYB branded struts made for these year and model (Lexus es300, not Toyota Camry) for about $260 and reused the factory springs and, top strut mounts with 135k on them. Then later did the front lower ball joints, and sway bar end links for front and rear. And also sway bar bushings. The last thing im gonna do is the outer tie rod ends for the front L and R.

Last edited by samsonn25; 04-04-18 at 02:25 AM.
Old 04-04-18, 10:07 AM
  #9  
LeX2K
Lexus Fanatic
 
LeX2K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Alberta
Posts: 20,189
Received 2,929 Likes on 2,467 Posts
Default

OE struts are not $1700 for 4 unless you have the TEMS system, otherwise you are looking at about half that.
Old 04-04-18, 12:43 PM
  #10  
Oro
Racer
 
Oro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: wa
Posts: 1,951
Received 379 Likes on 330 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by samsonn25
The last thing im gonna do is the outer tie rod ends for the front L and R.
If you do the outer, do the inner, too. They wear together, and if you put in a tight outer it will accelerate wear on the inner. BTDT.

Right now amazon has a silly deal on premium AC Delco inner tie rods. I bought a pair last week for $10.59 each ($45/ea at RockAuto). I will put them on the shelf and when I do tires at the end of the summer, do all tie rods and align it. Since you have to get an alignment for any tie rod and most ball joint changes, might as well do both parts of the tie rod when you are at it when it is that cheap for good parts.
Old 04-10-18, 04:25 PM
  #11  
samsonn25
Intermediate
 
samsonn25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: pa
Posts: 482
Received 47 Likes on 41 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Lexus2000
OE struts are not $1700 for 4 unless you have the TEMS system, otherwise you are looking at about half that.
Sorry I meant 1700 for a full package, Minus LCA.
FRONT:

48520-39186
Absorber Assy, Shock, Front LHLocation:Front Driver SidePart Name Code:48520Replaced by:48520-39605
$174.51

48510-39506
Absorber Assy, Shock, Front RHLocation:Front Passenger SidePart Name Code:48510Replaced by:48510-80137
$174.51

48158-33020
Insulator, Front Coil Spring, Lower LHLocation:Lower Driver SidePart Name Code:48158C
$23.47

48158-33020
Insulator, Front Coil Spring, Lower RHLocation:Lower Passenger SidePart Name Code:48158B
$23.47

48131-33830
Spring, Front Coil, LHLocationriver SidePart Name Code:48132
$200.93

48131-33830
Spring, Front Coil, RHLocation:Passenger SidePart Name Code:48131
$200.93

REAR:

48540-39266
Absorber Assy, Shock, Rear LHLocation:Rear Driver SidePart Name Code:48540Replaced by:48540-39565
$224.18

48530-39386
Absorber Assy, Shock, Rear RHLocation:Rear Passenger SidePart Name Code:48530Replaced by:48530-80142
$224.18

48258-32020
Insulator, Rear Coil Spring, Lower LHLocation:Lower Driver SidePart Name Code:48258CReplaced by:48258-0E010
$14.39

48258-32020
Insulator, Rear Coil Spring, Lower RHLocation:Lower Passenger SidePart Name Code:48258BReplaced by:48258-0E010
$14.39

48231-33240
Spring, Coil, Rear LHLocation:Rear Driver SidePart Name Code:48231B
$117.08

48231-33240
Spring, Coil, Rear RHLocation:Rear Passenger SidePart Name Code:48231A
$117.08

48760-33020
Support Assy Rear Suspension, LHLocationriver SidePart Name Code:48760B
$179.23

48750-33020
Support Assy, Rear Suspension, RHLocation:Passenger SidePart Name Code:48750H
$179.23

About $1700-1800 for the parts.

With TEMS is an additionbal $1500 on top of that for the 4 special struts.

Assuming Labor is free, that might add another $300-500

So for a possible bill of almost $4000. You could buy 2 used cars in good condition for that price unless you love your car that much.

A much better alternative is to go aftermarket, get the similar kyb, reuse springs and other parts and only pay $270 for parts.

Last edited by samsonn25; 04-10-18 at 04:27 PM. Reason: forgot to add something
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Audacity
ES - 1st to 4th Gen (1990-2006)
4
11-03-09 08:03 AM
roegs
ES - 1st to 4th Gen (1990-2006)
3
04-16-09 09:33 PM
webbuster
ES - 1st to 4th Gen (1990-2006)
3
07-06-05 02:14 PM
golffnutt
ES - 1st to 4th Gen (1990-2006)
19
06-14-05 06:15 AM



Quick Reply: 1998 ES300 Suspension Restoration



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:31 AM.