AJL0365 I can't speak for the ES, but no th Camry, the sport packages are nothing more than body trim, a few interior badges. The suspension remains exactly the same unless you buy the "TRD lowering package" i.e. the same rebadged Eibach crap 1.25" drop springs (or 1.5" for Solara) they've been selling for fifteen years.

 

you guys...those are pictures of the new camry...that is the same grill as the one i saw in torrance...
the grill and the disguise are all of the new camry

the headlights are the same...everything is identical...remember the pictures i took of the camry...it is the same

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=173289

 

...The ES is a Camry...

 

i'm saying that those shots are of the camry though...it is not of the new ES

and with L-finesse and Toyota's new design style, these cars will not look alike at all
for example, look at the new GS and Avalon

 

Why do people keep comparing the new GS to the Avalon as if it's the Lexus version of Avalon? They're on different platforms, driven by different wheels, and serve totally different markets. The only thing that's similar is the V6 engine, which is from the same family, but the GS's has direct injection and the Avalon's doesn't.

I have no problem with regarding ES as Lexus's version of the Camry on the other hand.

 

I think we're all just punch drunk with anticipation on the new model....

Somebody get ahold of Chris Doane with Brenda Priddy & Co. and put a full court press on some 2007 ES350 spy pics !!!!

I feel like a broke junkie on the downward slide over here......

 

i'm not comparing the actual cars to each other...i am just saying GS is to Lexus as to Avalon is to Toyota because they both come hand in hand...sort of like how the Camry and the ES go hand in hand...those pairs go on sale at the same time...

if there was something above the avalon, it would be compared to the LS because that would be the flagship model

do you guys realize that it is a Camry in those spy pictures though?

 

Eh....
The Avalon is the present day Cressida. It has nothing in common with the GS other than some minor Toyota parts bin & style cues.

 

i'm not saying it has anything physically similar with the GS...i'm saying that what the two cars are to there individual brands is similar...remember NOT the cars themselves, but their statures in their respective brands

 

The ES & Camry yes.....the GS is to Lexus what the Avalon is to Toyota 'stature wise'? hardly.....not a good comparo at all.

 

Not that they're always accurate but Edmunds is using the white car spy shot as the new ES. Look under photos and they're all up for reference.

http://www.edmunds.com/future/2007/l...3/preview.html

The dual exhaust gives me reason to believe this is accurate. The Camry shots are a single tail pipe.

 

Excellent find, Bluesman2! It does look a lot like the new Camry. No surprise here. The differences have to be in the styling details which are mostly covered up.

As for the exhaust pipes, the Camry does have dual exhaust pipes, as confirmed by LEXUS FAN! in person.

Next ES:




Next Camry:

 

Sounds like (if Edmunds info is correct) that the first year issue of the nect gen ES is just going to have the 'carry over' 3.3L V6 (I guess like the 2002 had the 3.0L) If that's the case......I think that's a bit of a bummer considering the new Avalon had a completly brand new powertrain. Why wouldn't they do that for Lexus?

I was hoping for the ES 350 here. I guess we still have to wait & see what 'Officially' Lexus announces.

 

Don't worry. Edmunds is simply not making the name change yet. ES350 has been officially trademarked in the U.S last year already.

And the fact that it requires dual exhaust pipes just like the new Avalon can only mean it's the new 3.5L.

 

Agreed. Highly speculative here but I'm convinced it will be a 350. These photos really look like the Camry to me though, perhaps Edmunds is off the mark.