Anyone hear of when and where any of these might be appearing?

I can't wait because I think the ES350 will simply annhialate anything in its class or even close.

I think it competes on an equal footing with cars costing $10-15k more like the BMW530i, the M-B E350, the Infinity M35 and the Audi A6.

If price was not a factor I'd still take the ES over any one of the above cars.

With price as a factor, forget about it!