Mlawler

I agree with all weather mats (I put my rubber Tundra mats in mine, have you seen the pics of Denver lately), I have the UL and I really like not having to put in an after market stereo, although I could probably get better for the money, but let Car Toys take my car apart, yeh right, I can hear the difference between the ML and standard system, also I didnt have much choice because I could not get NAv without the UL, there was nothing around and no GS's with Nav anywhere.

I was told the same no ML without UL but in theory you can order it, problem is it can take months or never, depends how the line is setup. I checked everywhere in a 100 mile radius around Denver and that was a no go big time. Also we could not find one ES or GS with the Radar Cruise at all, it is a separate and distinct option. Buddy of mine just ordered a GS AWD with the UL, he is being told 3-8 months, and he probably cant get the radar cruise even though he is ordering. And again he knows the GSM also...no favors they just cant get em.

07LexusGuy

What you say is true - my dealership confirmed this when I asked about it a few months back. It looks like Lexus is trying to keep the "exclusiveness" of the UL model and make it stand out a bit more from the other models.

The ML system is nice, I just have issue with its relatively weak subwoofer. Seems like it wants to bottom out when it plays high bass music. I've seen past threads about the same subject so maybe this is a common thing.

Kaius88

For goodness sake, don't break up the harmonious package! The ML belongs with the UL. So do the graphite 10-spoke wheels and the panaroma roof. The UL package is probably the most value-added package you can get. Yes it costs more, but it's really a great deal. If you dont need the UL stuff, get the PP+, and it'll still be a great deal. But don't get PP+, add ML, wait 6 months and pay MSRP..... it just doesn't make sense. It's like going to a supermarket and getting an apple...or getting an orange. Either is fine, but please don't bring a knife and make fruit salad in front of everyone cus it's just too messy.

Lex13

Thanks! I was NOT aware of what the moon roof looks like. Like I stated before, I have never seen the UL in person. I have taken test drives in two ES350s at two dealerships in St. Louis. Both were PP+ with NAV, ML, and power rear sunshade. This is why I'm interested to see the differences between these and the UL. Also, thanks for the insight on the all-weather mats. I will be sure to include those.

Mlawler

I dont think youll see a lot of difference if you can get the PP+ with Nav and ML. The glass roof is cool but I am not a big sun roof guy, sun on my bald head aint fun....and I cant imagine when Ill use the sun shade, maybe the kids will want to use it?

off topic but thought this was funny, i got a package today, nice box, inside was my Green Sweaty Red Sox hat wrapped in bubble wrap to protect it, seems I left in my truck when I traded it in on the ES...bubble wrap...sick

robynl

I have the ruby/cashmere and have had many comments on the color. When I go to the car wash, twice I have been asked what color the car is and that they think it is the most gorgeous color they have ever seen. Went through drive in window at the dry cleaners the other day and the lady asked my what color my car was. There is also a lady at my office who stalks my car and says that it's the most beautiful car she has ever seen. She just loves the color and she loves the panoramic roof. All this to say, this combo, in my opinion, is very rich and elegant!!