ES350Bob

I think there are places that would replace the starter for cheaper than 1,500, like PEP boys, but not the main computer for the entire car with our modern convenience of keyless ignition if that system fails and is tied to the main ECU itself which seems can be the case and would cost far more than 1,500.

I think a FOB at 400 or more dollars is high on it's own.

jjbodean

no, theyre comparing december 2006 sales to december 2005 sales, thats where the % growth comes from

e-Mel

True. I agree Bob. However the $1500 price dshahs420 got was supposedly from a Lexus service department. If that $1500 was only for the starter replcement and the other service department quoted 4k (main computer ecu, starter, etc...replacement) then it would appear that one dealer is painting a gloom and doom scenario and the other is not.

LexBob2

JJ, thanks for the information. Maybe you could weigh in on the quote below:

"Which brings me to my next point... How many hold over ES 330s are included in the annual 75,987?"

I wouldn't think there'd be too many holdover cars, since Lexus had to end production of the ES330, to ramp up for the 350. It seems most dealers wouldn't want too many 330's on hand knowing the 350 was coming soon. Fair assumption?

amf1932

This quote is what I dispute:I have spoken to the service managers of two of the largest Lexus dealers in the New York City area about this transmission problem, and it seems that the percentage of problems stated are far in excess of what has been posted by kingofire! A rough estimate is about 1 out of 1000 ES350's sold. and I'm sure that the New York dealers sell many more of these cars than where kingofire is located.
I, as a Lexus owner for over 16 years don't appreciate these off the wall estimates of problems that in reality are very, very small in the overall scheme of things!!
BTW: The figures also hold true for cars that were sold in the Southern California areas.

jjbodean

fair assumption, but i am taking it a step further. i have emailed my sales rep with lexus to see if he can give me an exact breakdown of 2006 sales of the ES330 vs the ES350. will let you know if he can provide the answer once i hear back,

jeff

ES350Bob

jj,

His point was the ES350 did not exist in 05 to sell so there should be nothing percentagewise listed for a model that did not exist.

I noticed the several errors in percentages of monthly sales growth on the spreadsheet published, is this because the sales or PR division releases these without someone in accounting going over the spreadsheets?

I saw where you were going to try to clarify ES330 sales out of the total which currently includes them, so this might help. These are April figures of 15,390 ytd which should be mostly if not entirely all ES330 since the 350 was delayed several weeks until April 26. I took that and estimated 12,000 to 14,000 additional 330 sold during the 330 closeout sales through end of June, early July, at least in my area.

http://www.toyota.com/about/news/cor...2-1-sales.html
ES 330 4,603 5,597 -14.6 15,390 20,373 -23.7
LS 430 1,071 2,398 -53.6 4,617 9,080 -48.6
SC 430 579 778 -22.7 1,963 2,548 -22.2
GS 300 1,963 2,657 -23.3 7,638 7,175 7.5
GS 430/450h 373 541 -28.4 1,208 1,681 -27.4
IS 250/350 4,715 454 978.5 17,880 1,774 917.9
TOTAL LEXUS PASS. CAR 13,304 12,425 11.2 48,696 42,631 15.4

LexBob2

Are the reported sales from Toyota to their dealers, or retail sales? I think I've seen somewhere, that manufacturer reported sales are to their dealers. If they're from Toyota to dealers, then the sales/shipments thru April would pretty well capture the # of 330's shipped. Included in those those April #'s would be some of the initial shipments of 350's to dealers.

kingofire

amf1932, you got me, I made the numbers up.

RobF350

splitting hairs a bit much with these sales numbers arent we?

who the hell cares how many 06's and 07's were included

they sold.

and not for nothing, if I was a dealer sitting on some now out of date styled ES330s and sitting on ES350s that almost sell themselves I would push those left over 330s on whoever I think I can unload them on.

$1500 starter motors, unreal! No one in thier right mind pays that for a starter motor for a TOYOTA, you think camry owners have to shell out $1500 for a starter motor?

God help us if our seats fail, I bet those are like $5000 each ( seats are the second most expensive item in a vehicle after the drivetrain )

If the windshield breaks thats probably $2000 from the dealer- but who gets those from the dealer? Go to your glass shop and they change it for $250.

LexFather

This thread is about ES 350 sales, let's try to stay on topic, thanks everyone.

jjbodean

ok, i have numbers, theyre not the numbers i asked for, but i hope they help anyways.

the numbers i do have are for my store only. in 2007 we sold 22 2006 ES330s and 106 2007 ES350s, so about a 5 to 1 ratio 2007 to 2006.

hope this is helpful in some way to the number crunchers out there, sorry i could not provide national numbers though.

jeff

garsarno

And there are six ES350s for sale on ebay motors tonight that are new transmission buybacks from previous owners and have now ended up for sale with the "transmission replacement" clause that will surely add to the current and future value of the car. No other 2007 car advertised has this wonderful supply of buybacks available for sale.

LexBob2

Do you know off hand what they're asking for the buyback cars on ebay?

RobF350

whats your point?