Any info on the next genergation 2012 Lexus ES 350
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it will likely stay a 350, it could possibly go to a 370 and put out 300hp being that infiniti and acura have those sizes and numbers available... but i highly doubt because those are sport sedan type numbers, which the 350 is not plus has a good decent amount of power now.
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Wouldn't even surprise me if the number went down. It's all about efficiency now. The ES isn't their flagship sports sedan so it doesn't need 300hp or anything crazy.
Maybe have the engine displacement go down a bit and make it direct injected - horsepower would stay the same and mileage might go up.
Anything is possible.
I think the redesigned Camry will be out first - and this will pretty much lay the groundwork for the ES.
Maybe have the engine displacement go down a bit and make it direct injected - horsepower would stay the same and mileage might go up.
Anything is possible.
I think the redesigned Camry will be out first - and this will pretty much lay the groundwork for the ES.
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Boe: I would say new generation as everything I've read suggests that. If you want more industry news on it do a google search on something like "2012 ES350 rumors". Are you looking to buy a new car soon? IMO - Lexus is going to have to really bring out some cool tech and a more efficient engine to up the ante on the ES350. I originally purchased my 2007 back when it was new and I have to say there's nothing out there, in it's class, so significantly better that warrants an update - so if you're looking for a new car wait for the 2012's but get a deal on the old models. Good luck.
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From what I've heard, dealers like the looks of the car very much. Should debut next fall after the GS. The ES was pushed back a year, was to debut this fall.
There will be an ES hybrid offered for the first time too.
There will be an ES hybrid offered for the first time too.
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Boe: I would say new generation as everything I've read suggests that. If you want more industry news on it do a google search on something like "2012 ES350 rumors". Are you looking to buy a new car soon? IMO - Lexus is going to have to really bring out some cool tech and a more efficient engine to up the ante on the ES350. I originally purchased my 2007 back when it was new and I have to say there's nothing out there, in it's class, so significantly better that warrants an update - so if you're looking for a new car wait for the 2012's but get a deal on the old models. Good luck.
I'm hoping by the time new ES comes out that the nav system is voice, and touch and possibly **** input. I'm not a fan of the **** navigation - particularly if the passenger is using the system since I only know one left handed person. Furthermore there is no reason it can't be both touch and **** so why not give people the choice?
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Boe: I agree with you on the steering wheel and the nav system. The steering wheel from the IS is much more comfortable on the hands but I wouldn't trade my ES just to get that. I remember my 2002 IS had no touch interface for the nav, strange clunky buttons and a cheesy plastic joy stick where the ***** are now (center console). So if you ask me no touch screen is like going backwards. I would love the voice commands to expand. Although I can't figure out why Lexus (or toyota) keep you from inputing data while driving. The only logic I can think of would also preclude you from using any other buttons not directly associated with driving, like seat adjustments, radio/CD buttons, interior illumination, etc...
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The 2013 GS 350 goes into production in Japan in December 2011, the GS 450 hybrid in March 2012, the LX gets some minor changes, no word yet about the ES or the expected ES hybrid.
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Hope for styling change
This should be a styling change year. Hope so, the current generation needs more than face lifting - especially the interior dash board with the vacent space opposite the passenger seat. Compare that to the 2006 generation.
I have followed a policy of buying a new car upon the earlier of 10 years or 300,000 miles. My 1993 Camry was almost 10 years old with 298,000 miles when I upgraded to a 2003 Lexus ES 300. Now that car has only 148,000 miles but it will be eight years old next month. Both great cars.
Looking forward to the new ES styling and if it comes out this year that will give me a model year to correct kinks before buying a 2013 ES.
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I have followed a policy of buying a new car upon the earlier of 10 years or 300,000 miles. My 1993 Camry was almost 10 years old with 298,000 miles when I upgraded to a 2003 Lexus ES 300. Now that car has only 148,000 miles but it will be eight years old next month. Both great cars.
Looking forward to the new ES styling and if it comes out this year that will give me a model year to correct kinks before buying a 2013 ES.
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I've now had a new 2011 ES for a month now and I'm new here. Not sure where you guys are getting the info on the 2012 but my salesman here stated that much to his chagrin Lexus is on a six year life cycle for the present Lexus models. The "new" model ES is not due until the 2013 model year, according to him. If you remember......the present Camry came out as an '06 with the present ES following in '07. The "new" Camry is due for the 2012 model year. I bought the 2011 now because I liked this version, and I did not want a post tsunami built car, at least for the first few months after production startup, which will be the 2012s. I traded a '00 Maxima SE which handled very well and the ES handling is very close to it (taking into account the "undersize" 55 profile Michelins and being 250 LBS heavier), contrary to MT and R & T, both which don't like anything that isn't a Mercedes or a BMW.
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I've now had a new 2011 ES for a month now and I'm new here. Not sure where you guys are getting the info on the 2012 but my salesman here stated that much to his chagrin Lexus is on a six year life cycle for the present Lexus models. The "new" model ES is not due until the 2013 model year, according to him. If you remember......the present Camry came out as an '06 with the present ES following in '07. The "new" Camry is due for the 2012 model year. I bought the 2011 now because I liked this version, and I did not want a post tsunami built car, at least for the first few months after production startup, which will be the 2012s. I traded a '00 Maxima SE which handled very well and the ES handling is very close to it (taking into account the "undersize" 55 profile Michelins and being 250 LBS heavier), contrary to MT and R & T, both which don't like anything that isn't a Mercedes or a BMW.
The lifecycle doesn't seem accurate either. The Camry was changed in 2002 and lasted through 2006 which makes that a 5 year life.
Personally, I think salespeople will tell you whatever sounds good so you'll buy a car TODAY. You think he's going to tell you the redesigned model is due out soon so you'll hold off on your purchase? They might as well shoot themselves in the foot and find a new job!
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Didn't know that the ES was pushed back a year. I would expect to see an ES 370. Design clues?, the GS would be a good place to look. I beleive the ES will have a more bold look and definitely less conservative IMO.