Considering a new ES350... but....
03-06-13, 02:00 PM
#31
Lexus Champion
No... the Lexus dealer in 50 miles north of us and they won't let us bring it down here. We have not driven any of the other cars mentioned. My wife is not a fan of any of those. She had an 06 Hyundai Azera for 5 years and it did pretty well, but she is not crazy about the new Azera interior. If that interior had not looked like an alien, she might have leaned towards it a little more and probably saved several thousand dollars too. She had that strange yucky look on her face with the Lincolns. The LaCrosse may have been a player if it were not a Buick. She has this thing about Buicks. Plus the V6 does not get quite as good gas mileage and she doesn't want another 4 cylinder or a hybrid. I don't blame her for being picky though... she needs to want what she gets and get what she wants, which she usually does.
Never mind. Just noticed you have decided on the UL. Enjoy the new Lexus.
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03-06-13, 02:15 PM
#32
Driver
Thread Starter
Yep... we visited the Acura dealer, right next to the Hyundai dealer. The TL was okay, not crazy about the inside. We liked the RL better, but of course the one that was loaded up like we wanted was $55K ... and it only averages about 20 MPG.
About the only interior I think she would be happy with other than the ES would be the Avalon, but that front catfish looking mouth just blew it. I have no idea was Toyota was thinking with that. I think if they rated front end looks, it would have to be close to last place. I am not sure which is worse, the Avalon or the Ford Fusion.
About the only interior I think she would be happy with other than the ES would be the Avalon, but that front catfish looking mouth just blew it. I have no idea was Toyota was thinking with that. I think if they rated front end looks, it would have to be close to last place. I am not sure which is worse, the Avalon or the Ford Fusion.
03-06-13, 02:31 PM
#33
The Genesis interior looks like a cheap knockoff of the previous generation Avalon design:
03-06-13, 02:54 PM
#34
Lexus Fanatic
Plus we are looking for better gas mileage, as she drives 50 miles round trip 5 days a week. ... and we drive 40 miles round trip to worship service 3 times a week. Then we do a good bit of traveling from here to there. That V8 Genesis would be horrific on MPG.
I'm just saying, I'm a die hard Lexus fan, I've owned Lexuses for 15 years. I drove the ES for 10 years. The only thing I like better about the ES than the Genesis is the L on the grille. Snobbery is 100% what kept me out of a Genesis in 2010 and this time really.
You should really drive one before you cross it off your list for sure.
OTOH, if it is anything like the Taurus, it won't be any better on these roads.
Originally Posted by amphipri0n
Agreed, I really don't understand how reviewers can make comparisons between the interiors of the two. It is really quite bland with no styling direction except bulbous and curvy and generally says economy. The split front stack with the headunit at the top half and the CD slot in the bottom do not tie together very well. I would take the PREVIOUS two generation ES interiors over the current Genesis' anyday...
The Genesis is really a class up from the ES in every way but price. Honestly, the quality of the interior is very similar to my GS.
Last edited by SW17LS; 03-06-13 at 02:59 PM.
03-06-13, 02:54 PM
#35
Lexus Champion
Yep... we visited the Acura dealer, right next to the Hyundai dealer. The TL was okay, not crazy about the inside. We liked the RL better, but of course the one that was loaded up like we wanted was $55K ... and it only averages about 20 MPG.
About the only interior I think she would be happy with other than the ES would be the Avalon, but that front catfish looking mouth just blew it. I have no idea was Toyota was thinking with that. I think if they rated front end looks, it would have to be close to last place. I am not sure which is worse, the Avalon or the Ford Fusion.
About the only interior I think she would be happy with other than the ES would be the Avalon, but that front catfish looking mouth just blew it. I have no idea was Toyota was thinking with that. I think if they rated front end looks, it would have to be close to last place. I am not sure which is worse, the Avalon or the Ford Fusion.
03-06-13, 02:56 PM
#36
Driver
Thread Starter
Hmmm... I think I would take the old Avalon over the new Genesis.
I like it when they recess the display screen a little bit into the dash with a lip over the top edge. BMW does this on their 5 series and we liked that design in our 528i we had. Maybe that is why we favor the ES... it is not too terribly different.
I think it is the stainless look added in that dash of the ES that really makes it look good to me. I also like the way they separated the cup holders. The steering wheel has a much more luxury look to it.
That BMW widescreen display is nice.
I like it when they recess the display screen a little bit into the dash with a lip over the top edge. BMW does this on their 5 series and we liked that design in our 528i we had. Maybe that is why we favor the ES... it is not too terribly different.
I think it is the stainless look added in that dash of the ES that really makes it look good to me. I also like the way they separated the cup holders. The steering wheel has a much more luxury look to it.
That BMW widescreen display is nice.
03-06-13, 03:02 PM
#37
Lexus Fanatic
03-06-13, 03:13 PM
#38
Driver
Thread Starter
Have you driven a Genesis yourself? The interior styling is kind of bland, but the interior is VERY nice, materials are several steps above those found in the GS. I owned both previous ES generations, and I can tell you that the Genesis is nicer than both, and certainly nicer than the 2013 interior. My issues with poor material quality on the 2013 ES are well documented.
This will be our fist Lexus. I did look at the GS back when I purchased my BMW, and that would be an option if it were not so expensive. We also have considered the 300h, but she just does not like the hybrids for some reason. I think she may be scared of that 4 cylinder. She said she wasn't having another 4 cylinder. I don't think you can get the panoramic roof in the hybrid either.
03-06-13, 03:21 PM
#39
Lexus Fanatic
I know they use to offer it in the V6, but I did not see that option in the 2013 model. The Azera has that same V6 motor, which we had previously... and just like the car reviewers testing, she averaged about 20-21 combined. The 2013's tested the Azera at 21 combined and the ES at 26 combined, so we are hoping it will be a little better.
No, I have not. We looked it over when we were at the Hyundai dealer.
I would never buy another Toyota, I would however (obviously) buy another Lexus.
We also have considered the 300h, but she just does not like the hybrids for some reason. .
03-06-13, 03:24 PM
#40
Lexus Champion
03-06-13, 03:27 PM
#41
Lexus Fanatic
Does not surprise me.
I almost got one in 2010 to replace my 2003 ES instead of my 2010 ES, but at that time their leases were not good and it would have been more than the ES monthly, plus I just couldn't get over the whole "Go from Lexus to Hyundai" thing.
Now, they've got some unbelievable lease deals, like you can lease a loaded $47k Genesis V8 for $425 a month with nothing down, but this time I obviously upgraded to the GS.
The Genesis is a lot more substantial and solid feeling than the ES too, mainly due to its more sophisticated suspension setup and RWD powertrain. It rides and drives a lot more like the GS and LS than the ES does. Like I said, its really more similar to a GS or 5 series, but for the same money as or less than an ES.
I almost got one in 2010 to replace my 2003 ES instead of my 2010 ES, but at that time their leases were not good and it would have been more than the ES monthly, plus I just couldn't get over the whole "Go from Lexus to Hyundai" thing.
Now, they've got some unbelievable lease deals, like you can lease a loaded $47k Genesis V8 for $425 a month with nothing down, but this time I obviously upgraded to the GS.
The Genesis is a lot more substantial and solid feeling than the ES too, mainly due to its more sophisticated suspension setup and RWD powertrain. It rides and drives a lot more like the GS and LS than the ES does. Like I said, its really more similar to a GS or 5 series, but for the same money as or less than an ES.
03-06-13, 03:32 PM
#42
Driver
Thread Starter
From what I have read the ES is closer to a real number than the Hyundai's... and I am thinking that the Genesis will be like the Azera and average about 20-21 combined.
I really think you should drive a Genesis before you pull the trigger. Their premium cars are completely different from their midmarket cars. As someone who has owned Toyotas and Lexuses I can tell you that the ownership experience is quite different, as it is for the premium Hyundai cars, theres just not a separate badge. The RWD vs FWD issue is reason alone to consider it IMHO.
We have only ever driven one and we were not fond of it either, although I understand they are getting better. Maybe a few years from now we might consider one again.
03-06-13, 03:46 PM
#43
Lexus Fanatic
She nor I could stand to look at that interior everyday. She really wasn't crazy about the exterior either.
Last edited by SW17LS; 03-06-13 at 03:53 PM.
