I wonder if the guys in the Avalon forum have a thread similar to this?

 

Regardng the thread title, you could say th same thing about previous gen Avalons and the ES300, ES330 and ES 350. Both have co-existed for years and each has sold well. By 2015 or so they'll both be coming off of the same line in Kentucky. Talk about the lines becoming even moe blurried.

 

Except the ES was based on the Camry through 2012. Wouldn't have changed more than just the title of the thread, though.

 

Will the ES Hybrid come off the Kentucky assembly plant too?

 

I have been watching the Avalon vs ES debate for a while. IMO the Avalon is a much nicer and more premium feeling car. I can't get over how appalling the ES is in the base model form. Fake leather, very poor selection of options and oodles of hard plastic is clearly not what you would expect from a car with a Lexus badge. A total joke of a luxury car if you ask me

Where the Avalon excels is in the items like standard leather seats, oodles of standard options and a very tasteful and well thoughtout design.

The Avalon is a nicer and a more luxurious car than the ES

 

I'll take the real wood in the ES over the plastic wood in the Avalon anyday.

 

I was wondering if the ES with fake leather comes with real wood

 

Yes, all do.

 

To each their own, but it sounds like you're comparing a loaded Avalon against a stripper ES. I drove both highly optioned, and for the $5k price difference, the ES was by far the more luxurious of the two. I couldn't stand the cap-touch controls in the Avalon, as well as the ugly center console.

 

NO! I was looking at the overall line up. Avalon just seems nicer.

 

The center stack is what drove me away from the Avalon too. It def has more bells and whistles it seems but I just can't stand the look, it looks like a large gray chunk of plastic. Capacitive touch buttons don't bother me one way or the other but overall I prefer normal buttons, capacitive on my last car is too districting as its easy to try and tap and miss the button being off just a little bit and becomes a distraction when you have to look.

 

I I have never seen the cars side by side the Avalon just look so much more interesting especially with the tailpipes.the Lexus tail pipes kind of look a little like a Hyundai and are not as classy as the rectangular luck on that Avalon. The rear spoiler on the Avalon also looks nicer.

 

This is nothing new, if you ask a Lexus salesman what car is the biggest competitor to the ES, they will tell you the Avalon. I guess either way you look a it, Toyota is getting paid on both fronts, not bad IMO, die-hard Lexus 'fans' will buy the ES, because it's a Lexus and the perceived prestige and pampering that comes with it. All in all it's a good deal either way for the company.

 

In North America alone through July of this year a total of 83k ES and Avalon's have been sold (+107%). I'm sure Toyota will take each one of them to the bank with a smile. Both good choices for the consumer.

 

Just put the Avalon tips on the ES.

John