Why didn't Avalon and ES just switch badges ?
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I've always had two (or 3) cars simultaneously. Of those vehicles, the most miles I had on any was about 150,000 on a Toyota Tacoma. The least was about 60,000 miles on a 4 Runner. Even though, the 4 Runner was a great vehicle, I only kept it for about 3 years. I had the Tacoma for about 7 years, and the Lexus GX that I still own is going on 9 years.
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I've also driven both the Limited and ES, and find the ES a bit more comfortable, quiet and smooth. Yes the Toyota will have more features for the same $$. Matter of balance and choice.
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If the ES had the body of the avalon but the badging/craftmanship/quality as lexus it would have sold even more IMO
which seems to be the overall point of the OP obviously so i would have to agree a more "LEXUS" avalon would have been a great ES
which seems to be the overall point of the OP obviously so i would have to agree a more "LEXUS" avalon would have been a great ES
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I would have bought outside of Lexus if the '13 ES Looked like the Avalon. The front end is too polarizing and the side silhouette of the greenhouse creates a station wagon shape... also note that the rear C-pillar window broken up and not part of the door (something Lexus has never done in any of its sedans).
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IMO I don't want to use a service department. I bought the Lexus brand because I wanted a car with a quality standard that exceeds all others and does not require service (other than regular maintenance).
I had a 2009 Avalon. Never had one warranty service issue. Bought a 2013 ES300h. With 1500 miles the BSM went out and required replacement.
While I think the $5K difference was worth getting the Lexus, with the addition of so many technical systems to cars today, the probability of something going wrong is tremendously increased. Was very disappointed that a Lexus would not be fully operational without a system breakdown for many years/miles.
I had a 2009 Avalon. Never had one warranty service issue. Bought a 2013 ES300h. With 1500 miles the BSM went out and required replacement.
While I think the $5K difference was worth getting the Lexus, with the addition of so many technical systems to cars today, the probability of something going wrong is tremendously increased. Was very disappointed that a Lexus would not be fully operational without a system breakdown for many years/miles.
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In their Road Tests Consumer Reports rates the ES and Avalon pretty close. I've always thought that it's just a matter of personal choice between the two.
ES300h (82)
ES350 (80)
Avalon Hybrid (86)
Avalon V6 (85).
ES300h (82)
ES350 (80)
Avalon Hybrid (86)
Avalon V6 (85).
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i went with the lexus mainly because it is assembled in japan. i realize many cars are assembled outside of the company's country of origin, but this is something that is important to me. also, and i have no way of proving this at the moment, but i believe that the luxury trims use a better grade of materials/components i.e. better paint job, leather, trim pieces, buttons, etc. all the little stuff that matters to the luxury buyer.
look at the avalon's front fascia - it looks really cheap compared to the louvers on the ES. ditto for the interior.
look at the avalon's front fascia - it looks really cheap compared to the louvers on the ES. ditto for the interior.