2014 lexus es350 "my opinion"
12-18-13 | 02:09 PM
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I own a 2013 ES350 and a 2011 Buick Lacrosse CXS.
Both are $40K+ cars.
Both are similar yet different.
The Lexus is a bit smoother and just a tad quieter. The Buick handles better.
The Buick has some nicer appointments than the Lexus but looks older doing it.
My wife is the daily driver of the Buick and absolutely loves it. Not a penny paid for any repairs
With 42K on the odometer.
Her lease is up in February and will be moving to an RX350.
Both quality cars but I prefer the ES350 for numerous reasons.
John
Both are $40K+ cars.
Both are similar yet different.
The Lexus is a bit smoother and just a tad quieter. The Buick handles better.
The Buick has some nicer appointments than the Lexus but looks older doing it.
My wife is the daily driver of the Buick and absolutely loves it. Not a penny paid for any repairs
With 42K on the odometer.
Her lease is up in February and will be moving to an RX350.
Both quality cars but I prefer the ES350 for numerous reasons.
John
12-18-13 | 02:09 PM
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Someone who does not own an ES and who goes on a Lexus owners forum and shares quite negative feelings about the vehicle with those who own it comes across as little more than trolling.
I have quite a few negative feelings about vehicles made by BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Infiniti, etc., but I would never come to the conclusion that it would be appropriate in any way for me, as someone who doesn't own any of those vehicles, to go onto an internet board populated by those who do own the vehicles and bash them. Further, the credibility and judgment of the OP comes into serious question when he compares the ES to a Buick. In terms of quality of workmanship, reliability, etc., any such comparisons would seem to have had to come from someone who has had little or no experience with the actual vehicles.
While I would not think to compare the level of luxury of my ES with that of an LS, the ES does, for me, a more than satisfactory job of making me feel like I'm being pampered with a sufficient amount of luxury, and that is why I own one. If I had felt differently, I would have bought a different car, and I would not be wasting my time posting on a Lexus owners' board in a shallowly disguised attempt to provoke those who have bought an ES.
I have quite a few negative feelings about vehicles made by BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Infiniti, etc., but I would never come to the conclusion that it would be appropriate in any way for me, as someone who doesn't own any of those vehicles, to go onto an internet board populated by those who do own the vehicles and bash them. Further, the credibility and judgment of the OP comes into serious question when he compares the ES to a Buick. In terms of quality of workmanship, reliability, etc., any such comparisons would seem to have had to come from someone who has had little or no experience with the actual vehicles.
While I would not think to compare the level of luxury of my ES with that of an LS, the ES does, for me, a more than satisfactory job of making me feel like I'm being pampered with a sufficient amount of luxury, and that is why I own one. If I had felt differently, I would have bought a different car, and I would not be wasting my time posting on a Lexus owners' board in a shallowly disguised attempt to provoke those who have bought an ES.
I'm happy your satisfy with the ES level of luxury. Neither of my cars are perfect. I surely wouldn't call my IS250 super luxury. Reliable but not luxury.
12-18-13 | 03:15 PM
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Someone who does not own an ES and who goes on a Lexus owners forum and shares quite negative feelings about the vehicle with those who own it comes across as little more than trolling....
...If I had felt differently, I would have bought a different car, and I would not be wasting my time posting on a Lexus owners' board in a shallowly disguised attempt to provoke those who have bought an ES.
...If I had felt differently, I would have bought a different car, and I would not be wasting my time posting on a Lexus owners' board in a shallowly disguised attempt to provoke those who have bought an ES.
Please take your emotions out of it. It's a vehicle. How am I trolling when I have 800 more posts than you. I gave my opinion and that's it. Your offend b/c I compare your car to a Buick. Sorry I'm happy your satisfy with the ES level of luxury. Neither of my cars are perfect. I surely wouldn't call my IS250 super luxury. Reliable but not luxury.
To say there's only two reasons as to why the car sells is like saying the only reason people would buy a used Merc CL is because they are cheap (horrible depreciation is well documented) and has the three pointed star. (Oh I see you have one, "I'm happy your satisfy")
Unless English isn't your first language and you are struggling to properly express yourself, that is clearly troll material. Welcome to the ignore list!
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12-18-13 | 03:37 PM
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Compared to other similar vehicles (not GM), it is for everything you get.
An frankly, in the long run based on my experience, the total cost of ownership of this type of vehicle has always been less than lesser cars costing significantly less (IMHO). And if you paid $51k, you overpaid!!!
An frankly, in the long run based on my experience, the total cost of ownership of this type of vehicle has always been less than lesser cars costing significantly less (IMHO). And if you paid $51k, you overpaid!!!
12-18-13 | 04:37 PM
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I've been pondering this question for a long time, so here it goes:
Why is it that the ES is considered the "entry-level" car? "Entry-level" sounds like it is the least expensive Lexus, and it feels so degrading. Shouldn't the "entry-level" designation go to the CT? ES is not cheap, either in quality or in price.
Also, ES is more commonly touted as an "old-person" car. I'm in my early 30s and the ES is what caught my eyes when I went to the Lexus showroom, among IS FSport, CT, and RX (RX being the only more expensive model by $2K). So Lexus definitely did something right when they redesigned the ES to attract "younger" buyers.
And as someone had mentioned, I hope to move up to the GS, and maybe eventually to the LS, when I get a bit older (and richer).
Why is it that the ES is considered the "entry-level" car? "Entry-level" sounds like it is the least expensive Lexus, and it feels so degrading. Shouldn't the "entry-level" designation go to the CT? ES is not cheap, either in quality or in price.
Also, ES is more commonly touted as an "old-person" car. I'm in my early 30s and the ES is what caught my eyes when I went to the Lexus showroom, among IS FSport, CT, and RX (RX being the only more expensive model by $2K). So Lexus definitely did something right when they redesigned the ES to attract "younger" buyers.
And as someone had mentioned, I hope to move up to the GS, and maybe eventually to the LS, when I get a bit older (and richer).
12-18-13 | 06:50 PM
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Someone who does not own an ES and who goes on a Lexus owners forum and shares quite negative feelings about the vehicle with those who own it comes across as little more than trolling.
I have quite a few negative feelings about vehicles made by BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Infiniti, etc., but I would never come to the conclusion that it would be appropriate in any way for me, as someone who doesn't own any of those vehicles, to go onto an internet board populated by those who do own the vehicles and bash them. Further, the credibility and judgment of the OP comes into serious question when he compares the ES to a Buick. In terms of quality of workmanship, reliability, etc., any such comparisons would seem to have had to come from someone who has had little or no experience with the actual vehicles.
While I would not think to compare the level of luxury of my ES with that of an LS, the ES does, for me, a more than satisfactory job of making me feel like I'm being pampered with a sufficient amount of luxury, and that is why I own one. If I had felt differently, I would have bought a different car, and I would not be wasting my time posting on a Lexus owners' board in a shallowly disguised attempt to provoke those who have bought an ES.
I have quite a few negative feelings about vehicles made by BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Infiniti, etc., but I would never come to the conclusion that it would be appropriate in any way for me, as someone who doesn't own any of those vehicles, to go onto an internet board populated by those who do own the vehicles and bash them. Further, the credibility and judgment of the OP comes into serious question when he compares the ES to a Buick. In terms of quality of workmanship, reliability, etc., any such comparisons would seem to have had to come from someone who has had little or no experience with the actual vehicles.
While I would not think to compare the level of luxury of my ES with that of an LS, the ES does, for me, a more than satisfactory job of making me feel like I'm being pampered with a sufficient amount of luxury, and that is why I own one. If I had felt differently, I would have bought a different car, and I would not be wasting my time posting on a Lexus owners' board in a shallowly disguised attempt to provoke those who have bought an ES.
Agreed
(Sniff, sniff).....I do smell a troll.
12-19-13 | 05:49 AM
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Perfectly put and well-written (which is apparently tough for some people).
It really doesn't make sense for you to ask someone to take emotions out of it. When 1) You're on an ES 350 forum for enthusiasts (See someone who is passionate about something). and 2) You lay out flamebait like "This car simply sells b/c it’s cheap and a Lexus."
To say there's only two reasons as to why the car sells is like saying the only reason people would buy a used Merc CL is because they are cheap (horrible depreciation is well documented) and has the three pointed star. (Oh I see you have one, "I'm happy your satisfy")
Unless English isn't your first language and you are struggling to properly express yourself, that is clearly troll material. Welcome to the ignore list!
It really doesn't make sense for you to ask someone to take emotions out of it. When 1) You're on an ES 350 forum for enthusiasts (See someone who is passionate about something). and 2) You lay out flamebait like "This car simply sells b/c it’s cheap and a Lexus."
To say there's only two reasons as to why the car sells is like saying the only reason people would buy a used Merc CL is because they are cheap (horrible depreciation is well documented) and has the three pointed star. (Oh I see you have one, "I'm happy your satisfy")
Unless English isn't your first language and you are struggling to properly express yourself, that is clearly troll material. Welcome to the ignore list!
As far as the CL550 comment that doesn't offend me. Congrats to those people who purchase 5 year old 100k cars! Fortunately I’m not one.
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12-19-13 | 07:24 AM
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For those that are complaining (not me) about cheap materials, I present the following from the new Lexus book The Line.
Click this link to download Lexus: The Line book (PDF download) http://lexusenthusiast.com/downloads...-line-book.pdf
While the spindle grille and sculpted lines of a Lexus may turn heads, we believe that the most important impression is the one not left. Which is why many of the materials you'll find in a Lexus are as groundbreaking as they are unconventional. Like seat foam derived from soybeans, carpeting in cargo areas made from sugarcane, and interior plastics sourced from sweet potatoes and corn. You'll also find door trims made with kenaf—a grass plant that grows faster and absorbs up to five times more carbon than timber. And the world’s first bamboo-trimmed steering wheel isn't the only place you'll find this stunning, sustainable wood. It’s also a key ingredient in the speakers found in the CT, a vehicle that’s 90% recyclable in its own right. The use of plant-based materials is just one of the ways we've been at the forefront of sustainable design. Most Lexus vehicles also feature seating trimmed in supple Lexus NuLuxe, an innovative material that is lighter than genuine leather and whose manufacturing process generates no VOCs and 65% fewer CO2 emissions. Every Lexus manufacturing site has Zero Landfill status, meaning that any waste resulting from manufacture is repurposed or used to generate additional energy. And to ensure Lexus vehicles aren't the only ones on the road with a reduced carbon footprint, we developed an infinitely recyclable plastic more than two decades ago and shared the proprietary formula with all auto manufacturers.
WHEN CREATING A MORE SUSTAINABLE VEHICLE, THE RIGHT INGREDIENTS MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
Click this link to download Lexus: The Line book (PDF download) http://lexusenthusiast.com/downloads...-line-book.pdf
While the spindle grille and sculpted lines of a Lexus may turn heads, we believe that the most important impression is the one not left. Which is why many of the materials you'll find in a Lexus are as groundbreaking as they are unconventional. Like seat foam derived from soybeans, carpeting in cargo areas made from sugarcane, and interior plastics sourced from sweet potatoes and corn. You'll also find door trims made with kenaf—a grass plant that grows faster and absorbs up to five times more carbon than timber. And the world’s first bamboo-trimmed steering wheel isn't the only place you'll find this stunning, sustainable wood. It’s also a key ingredient in the speakers found in the CT, a vehicle that’s 90% recyclable in its own right. The use of plant-based materials is just one of the ways we've been at the forefront of sustainable design. Most Lexus vehicles also feature seating trimmed in supple Lexus NuLuxe, an innovative material that is lighter than genuine leather and whose manufacturing process generates no VOCs and 65% fewer CO2 emissions. Every Lexus manufacturing site has Zero Landfill status, meaning that any waste resulting from manufacture is repurposed or used to generate additional energy. And to ensure Lexus vehicles aren't the only ones on the road with a reduced carbon footprint, we developed an infinitely recyclable plastic more than two decades ago and shared the proprietary formula with all auto manufacturers.
WHEN CREATING A MORE SUSTAINABLE VEHICLE, THE RIGHT INGREDIENTS MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
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12-19-13 | 08:19 AM
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Lexus ES 300h Named Best Luxury Value by Consumer Reports 
http://lexusenthusiast.com/2013/12/1...sumer-reports/
http://lexusenthusiast.com/2013/12/1...sumer-reports/
12-19-13 | 12:03 PM
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Lexus ES 300h Named Best Luxury Value by Consumer Reports
http://lexusenthusiast.com/2013/12/1...sumer-reports/
http://lexusenthusiast.com/2013/12/1...sumer-reports/
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=7&Log=0
Sorry, had to sneak that in.
12-19-13 | 12:22 PM
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Thanks for the link. This ES will likely hold it's value as well as its predecessors after five years... On the opposite end of the spectrum:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=7&Log=0
Sorry, had to sneak that in.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=7&Log=0
Sorry, had to sneak that in.
Probably could get it for 35k. A Honda Accord is worth more than that.
12-22-13 | 08:35 AM
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My wife likes her new ES350, so if she is happy I am happy.
I do not understand the purpose of bashing the ES350 on the ES350 forum section. It would appear that a Buick forum would be more appropriate for the OP.
I do not understand the purpose of bashing the ES350 on the ES350 forum section. It would appear that a Buick forum would be more appropriate for the OP.
12-22-13 | 09:49 AM
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Before I made my earlier post in this thread, I scanned through some of the 900+ posts that the OP has made. Within the group of those posts, there are a good number of posts in which he is talking about vehicles that he doesn't own and is, in essence, telling people who have bought those vehicles that they were fools for having done so. Thus, as I look at this thread, I am inclined to put it into the context that it was started by someone who seems to enjoy pushing other people's buttons.
Over years of participating in and reading on various internet forums, I have come to the conclusion that there is little upside to trying to directly engage with someone who is trolling. While it would be possible to present logical and factual counterpoints to most of what the OP has said, doing so results only in encouraging someone who is trolling. At the same time, I do feel that it is appropriate to identify, without engaging directly with them, those who seem to be inclined to troll.
Over years of participating in and reading on various internet forums, I have come to the conclusion that there is little upside to trying to directly engage with someone who is trolling. While it would be possible to present logical and factual counterpoints to most of what the OP has said, doing so results only in encouraging someone who is trolling. At the same time, I do feel that it is appropriate to identify, without engaging directly with them, those who seem to be inclined to troll.
12-22-13 | 10:06 AM
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Before I made my earlier post in this thread, I scanned through some of the 900+ posts that the OP has made. Within the group of those posts, there are a good number of posts in which he is talking about vehicles that he doesn't own and is, in essence, telling people who have bought those vehicles that they were fools for having done so. Thus, as I look at this thread, I am inclined to put it into the context that it was started by someone who seems to enjoy pushing other people's buttons.
Over years of participating in and reading on various internet forums, I have come to the conclusion that there is little upside to trying to directly engage with someone who is trolling. While it would be possible to present logical and factual counterpoints to most of what the OP has said, doing so results only in encouraging someone who is trolling. At the same time, I do feel that it is appropriate to identify, without engaging directly with them, those who seem to be inclined to troll.
Over years of participating in and reading on various internet forums, I have come to the conclusion that there is little upside to trying to directly engage with someone who is trolling. While it would be possible to present logical and factual counterpoints to most of what the OP has said, doing so results only in encouraging someone who is trolling. At the same time, I do feel that it is appropriate to identify, without engaging directly with them, those who seem to be inclined to troll.