ES F-Sport??
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Just a question.. Has anyone heard of an F-Sport version of the ES on the horizon?? I could swear I read about it somewhere and of course now can't find anything about it here or on the web.
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I haven't heard of anything but I can't see how a front wheel drive F-sport vehicle of nearly the same size and weight as the rear wheel drive GS would make any sense. The ES has never been a sport vehicle and people who usually want the ES over the GS are not that interested in that kind of performance over creature comforts. Just my thoughts.
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I haven't heard of anything but I can't see how a front wheel drive F-sport vehicle of nearly the same size and weight as the rear wheel drive GS would make any sense. The ES has never been a sport vehicle and people who usually want the ES over the GS are not that interested in that kind of performance over creature comforts. Just my thoughts.
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Both good points. When you think of the demographics of the typical ES buyer, maybe Lexus doesn't see too big of a market for an ES F Sport. OTOH, they offer it in the RX, but maybe enough of a difference in buyers to make it worthwhile.
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After more thought maybe I was mixing up a possible ES F-Sport with what I read here about the Lexus "Crafted Line"..
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...t-2015-models/
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Man I wish they did but it's the bread n butter for Lexus so maybe to test the market with a aggressive set up for sema ? And just watch how receptive it gets
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Lexus should of course keep the "bread and butter" models of the ES and just add the F-Sport package. It certainly wouldn't hurt sales since the traditional ES buyer could still get the car they want. But it could pull in some new customers who maybe never considered an ES before.
Just a thought.
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Fair enough...
I was thinking a little stiffer suspension like in the RX which has a nice balance between comfort and handling. Maybe the 8 spd trans also from the RX F-Sport, larger tires and model specific wheels and interior appointments..
But yes, AWD would be nice..
I was thinking a little stiffer suspension like in the RX which has a nice balance between comfort and handling. Maybe the 8 spd trans also from the RX F-Sport, larger tires and model specific wheels and interior appointments..
But yes, AWD would be nice..
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You bring up a good point. I wonder if we'll ever see an AWD ES? As long as its platform is shared with the Avalon, probably not unless it's offered on both somewhere down the road.
If AWD is needed there is the IS (250 and 350) and GS and both offer F-Sport..
If AWD is needed there is the IS (250 and 350) and GS and both offer F-Sport..
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Those are more choice of rubber vs mechanicals.
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The more I think about it why would lexus make a AWD F-Sport ES?
It would just cut into the GS sales which gives them a potentially higher profit margin.
(not sure of this one. Maybe the ES is a higher profit model)
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OK?? except the GS costs more..
For arguments sake lets just use MSRP's. A GS350 F-Sport lists for $54K, a $5,700 premium over a GS350.. Hypothetically speaking assuming the same upcharge of approx $5,700 for an ES F-Sport we're looking at an MSRP of $43K-$44K to start. That's a $10K difference.
This lower entry price just may bring new customers into Lexus as the other F-Sport models have..
Again, I'm not saying to eliminate any of the current ES models... All I was saying is why not add an F-Sport model to the ES line. You get to keep your hybrid and luxury models while adding a sportier model to the mix.. You may not have interest in it but I am sure others would.
For arguments sake lets just use MSRP's. A GS350 F-Sport lists for $54K, a $5,700 premium over a GS350.. Hypothetically speaking assuming the same upcharge of approx $5,700 for an ES F-Sport we're looking at an MSRP of $43K-$44K to start. That's a $10K difference.
This lower entry price just may bring new customers into Lexus as the other F-Sport models have..
Again, I'm not saying to eliminate any of the current ES models... All I was saying is why not add an F-Sport model to the ES line. You get to keep your hybrid and luxury models while adding a sportier model to the mix.. You may not have interest in it but I am sure others would.
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^^ Sounds ok to me. While I'm not interested in track improvements like stiffer shocks, stickier tires, etc, I would be interested in performance boost. I'm not going to race anybody in an ES, but I'd like to have a little more passing power. Maybe an intake/exhaust improvement? Or even a turbo?
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The Avalon is coming out with a Touring Sport Edition. Only 2,500 to be made. It appears to only be cosmetic additions. Other than that grill, not bad looking IMO.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...announced.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...announced.html