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06-09-15, 07:20 AM
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I have a fairly similar situation - in December -
Currently lease a wonderful Genesis 2012 fully loaded.
Heart & mind splited between a new Genesis and an ES-350.
In summary: Lexus is a better car than Genesis, Period.
Genesis second generation is VERY attractive for its overall features and that, mixed with size, means a car way closer do my idol: a LS.
Again: LS is a wonderful car and far better than a Genesis....
Wife dislikes CPOs. A LS-460 would be my choice if CPOs were in the game..
I have NO problems with fuel or high mileage use at all.
Just want the best car money can buy respecting a logical price. (which is subjective, of course)
Currently lease a wonderful Genesis 2012 fully loaded.
Heart & mind splited between a new Genesis and an ES-350.
In summary: Lexus is a better car than Genesis, Period.
Genesis second generation is VERY attractive for its overall features and that, mixed with size, means a car way closer do my idol: a LS.
Again: LS is a wonderful car and far better than a Genesis....
Wife dislikes CPOs. A LS-460 would be my choice if CPOs were in the game..
I have NO problems with fuel or high mileage use at all.
Just want the best car money can buy respecting a logical price. (which is subjective, of course)
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06-09-15, 11:16 AM
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I am only new to Lexus since August. I leased Acura's up until the point of the ES and Acura would always let me extend the lease up until the end of the warranty period. Not sure if Lexus would allow you to do the same to wait until a MY17 changeover? Might buy you some more time.
06-09-15, 01:32 PM
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I heard a new LS model is coming out for 2016. Once announced, prices for 2015 may drop even more to be competitive for lease or purchase that you or your wife may like.
The Genesis is not in the same league as the LS, but more comparable to the ES.
The Genesis is not in the same league as the LS, but more comparable to the ES.
06-09-15, 07:32 PM
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But that is not all. Lexus quality is first.
A 460 is far better than it.
I'd say the same of a GS-350, except for the size.
The ES-350 would be a compromise: the prestige, the quality, etc. But it is a bit behind in functionalities and some sophisticated items, It is a FWD, although this is not a major problem for the conditions I drive.
Definitely a 2016 LS before December may enhance 2015 opportunities.
06-09-15, 09:21 PM
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New LS in 2017, 2016 will be unchanged from the 2015. Great lease deals on the 2015 now, but it's a huge cost difference from an ES though. Over twice as much per month.
As for the Genesis, the new Genesis actually reminds me a lot of the LS. It's a more sophisticated ride than the ES in that department. If I were buying in that range I'd buy a Genesis.
As for the Genesis, the new Genesis actually reminds me a lot of the LS. It's a more sophisticated ride than the ES in that department. If I were buying in that range I'd buy a Genesis.
06-10-15, 11:07 AM
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Love the new Genesis body style. It looks like it's up a notch on interior materials and design. For me though, it is just too big of a car, as over 90% of the time I am the only one in the car. Also, the gas mileage is just so-so.
06-10-15, 09:56 PM
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If you're used to the ES300h's low fuel consumption and want a similar car, why not a Ford Fusion Hybrid or even the plugin Energi model? They're slightly smaller than the ES, with equal or better mileage, although interior quality might be a step down.
06-11-15, 06:04 AM
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I find the changes to the 2016 more than minimal. The interior changes alone make the car feel more premium.
Curious, why would you be so averse to buying your car out? Plenty of Hybrids on the road with high mileage, I had a 2004 Prius that was 7 years old when I traded it. I'd rather buy out my own ES300h than go to something like a Fusion.
Curious, why would you be so averse to buying your car out? Plenty of Hybrids on the road with high mileage, I had a 2004 Prius that was 7 years old when I traded it. I'd rather buy out my own ES300h than go to something like a Fusion.
06-11-15, 07:06 AM
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New LS in 2017, 2016 will be unchanged from the 2015. Great lease deals on the 2015 now, but it's a huge cost difference from an ES though. Over twice as much per month.
As for the Genesis, the new Genesis actually reminds me a lot of the LS. It's a more sophisticated ride than the ES in that department. If I were buying in that range I'd buy a Genesis.
As for the Genesis, the new Genesis actually reminds me a lot of the LS. It's a more sophisticated ride than the ES in that department. If I were buying in that range I'd buy a Genesis.
Thanks for your reflections. You have gone through this process recently.
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06-11-15, 07:09 AM
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And GS is the "almost LS car"...
06-11-15, 02:25 PM
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Re: above posts:
I never buy out my leases as I like a newer model/car every 24 mos.
The GS is a nice car but except for it being a rear drive, an advantage, I do not like the more squared-off body style nor do I like the gas mileage. I would more likely go for the smaller IS.
I've driven the Ford Fusion Hybrid, and while okay, it is a slug with little get-up and go, and the computer interface is terrible.
As for a plug-in hybrid, I will consider the new redesigned Chevy Volt. It's biggest disadvantage is that since it is a redesign, and GM, it could be prone to problems. This is contrast to any given Lexus redesign, which I would have little hesitancy buying in it's first year.
"I find the changes to the 2016 more than minimal. The interior changes alone make the car feel more premium."
Hmmm, in contrast, I look at the 2016 changes as being quite minimal. Despite this, it is still on my short list.
I never buy out my leases as I like a newer model/car every 24 mos.
The GS is a nice car but except for it being a rear drive, an advantage, I do not like the more squared-off body style nor do I like the gas mileage. I would more likely go for the smaller IS.
I've driven the Ford Fusion Hybrid, and while okay, it is a slug with little get-up and go, and the computer interface is terrible.
As for a plug-in hybrid, I will consider the new redesigned Chevy Volt. It's biggest disadvantage is that since it is a redesign, and GM, it could be prone to problems. This is contrast to any given Lexus redesign, which I would have little hesitancy buying in it's first year.
"I find the changes to the 2016 more than minimal. The interior changes alone make the car feel more premium."
Hmmm, in contrast, I look at the 2016 changes as being quite minimal. Despite this, it is still on my short list.
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06-11-15, 04:29 PM
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How about a Lincoln MKZ? Arguably more stylish inside AND out than its Ford sibling, probably a better dealership experience, unique colors and a variety of engine choices (4cyl turbo, V6 or hybrid).
06-11-15, 05:01 PM
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I like the MKZ, going to be the same issue with the Hybrid and pickup he had with the Fusion though.
06-14-15, 06:11 AM
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I agree completely. While I like many German models, I wouldn't personally own one again after warranty, unless repair costs were no particular concern to me. My last Audi (I must be a slow learner as I have owned two) cost me dearly in repairs. If reliability and repair costs are a concern I would stick with Asian manufacturers. I would be careful with some of the US models but I wouldn't be as wary of them as I would any of the German manufacturers. Just my .02 cents worth based on my experience.