2018 Lexus ES 350
#16
Unless the ES becomes more refined and powerful and handle better, Lexus probably will not discontinue the GS because they needs a competitor for the BMW 5-Series, Mercedes E-class, Audi A6, Cadillac CTS competitor. The ES is a nice car but it can't compete with the cars listed.
Top salesman doesn't necessarily mean it is certain. From my experience, salesman are pretty clueless until the cars/plans are released to the public.
Top salesman doesn't necessarily mean it is certain. From my experience, salesman are pretty clueless until the cars/plans are released to the public.
Like I said take it for what its worth but since this particular guy just had the owner of all the dealerships he owns in this particular city fly him and his wife along with 2 other couples to Florida for a few days on the company jet for being the top salesman for the year I'm doubting he's clueless as his reputation has been built over the last 12-15 years selling Lexus cars. I'm probably guessing he got the information from a somewhat reliable source but time will tell. Personally with my wife and I both driving ES350's I would love to have the AWD option living in Ohio so I hope it works out.
#17
How will they add the RWD drivetrain for AWD? The Avalon platform doesn't have room for a center propshaft and a rear diff. I could imagine them making an AWD ES300h by adding an electric motor to the rear, like on the NX AWD hybrid, but there's still not much room for rear driveshafts. Can't get my head around it...
#18
How will they add the RWD drivetrain for AWD? The Avalon platform doesn't have room for a center propshaft and a rear diff. I could imagine them making an AWD ES300h by adding an electric motor to the rear, like on the NX AWD hybrid, but there's still not much room for rear driveshafts. Can't get my head around it...
#20
I think it will sell WELL with the AWD ES. Most charge about 1200-2000 for the AWD version of the FWD vehicles.
Can the AWD in the RX apply to the AWD of the ES? Yeah? Everything is DOABLE for Toy/Lex but will they do it or not that is the question. We just have to wait an see.
Can the AWD in the RX apply to the AWD of the ES? Yeah? Everything is DOABLE for Toy/Lex but will they do it or not that is the question. We just have to wait an see.
#21
>A number of the closest competitors to the ES now offer an AWD option. This could be on Toyota/Lexus radar
But only if they want an AWD Camry/Avalon, too...
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But only if they want an AWD Camry/Avalon, too...
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#22
I don't disagree with what you have said, but the key to my thinking is that, if Lexus was to offer an AWD ES, I can't imagine them doing so until the Generation 7 ES. Thus, if there is an AWD ES in 2018, it would surprise me if 2018 wasn't also the first year for a Generation 7 ES.
#23
I was recently at my Lexus dealer speaking with my salesman and he also told me the 2018 Lexus ES350 will be AWD and it was getting a redesign along with telling me the GS350 was getting discontinued. Take it for what its worth but I will tell you he's been with Lexus for along time and is their top salesman at this particular dealership. .
#24
If the salesperson specifically said the GS350 was getting discontinued, that statement could be correct as Toyota/Lexus has committed to bringing out several new engines in the future. So it might be safe to say the GS will still be around but with a different displacement and therefore a different number after the letters. IMHO See this article https://lexusenthusiast.com/2016/12/...hybrid-system/
#25
The closet competitor when I was recently shopping was the Q50. AWD and considerably more ponies. An AWD version would be great.... Sounds like it would be a G7 and/or a new platform completely.... I thought about the Infinity when we got a foot of snow yesterday, however the ES did great-no issues.
#26
The closet competitor when I was recently shopping was the Q50. AWD and considerably more ponies. An AWD version would be great.... Sounds like it would be a G7 and/or a new platform completely.... I thought about the Infinity when we got a foot of snow yesterday, however the ES did great-no issues.
What made you decide on your ES over the Infiniti?
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roninlexus (01-06-17)
#27
1. Reviews, quality awards/rankings and research. The Lexus ranks high in almost every category you can think of. Also my Corolla never gave me an issue in 4 years. You just can't beat Toyota/Lexus in this regard IMHO. On the other hand, the Infinity was not even close in rankings and had quite a few negative reviews on the electronics/infotainment system. Which, BTW, was NOT included in the CPO warranty for the car which I found to be an interesting fact. You had to purchase an additional "wrap" to cover electronics. (I did buy an aftermarket warranty on the Lexus- probably did not need to but it was a "warm fuzzy" I guess). Same price as the "wrap" to cover the Infinity even though it was a CPO car. However, even though I bought the car at an Infinity dealership- it was serviced it's entire life (38K miles) at a nearby Lexus dealership. The service manager knew the car and the owners. That (history) is always a big deal to me anyway.....
2. Price. The Infinity was cool with about 50 more hp, AWD and dual screens etc but also, same year (lower mileage) but 10k more. It was not worth paying that much more for a car rated so much lower. The Q is a more "performance" machine I would guess, but I have no regrets on the ES. Night and day compared to the Corolla of course. Maybe I'll go IS one day but the one IS I did sit in I had to put the seat all the way back and it seemed small in comparison to the ES.
It was an odd deal- I traded my Corolla and sold my beloved 2002 Z06 to get to one car I drive every day with no regrets. I'm there. There is always, faster, better etc. but the ES seems to be a great car so far. Also I have lived in Colorado for 20+ years. Always with FWD and I seem to get around just fine... We just got about a foot of snow and the ES just plowed through and that's with new albeit crappy tires the Infinity dealership put on there... Hope that answers your question...
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#29
Never listen to salespeople. They don't even have as much inside information as we do on here, they love to sound like they know something in the inside too. GS is not being discontinued, and there will be no AWD in an otherwise unchanged ES. Just doesn't make sense.
#30
Found an interesting article regarding the 2018 ES 350. It states that there are no major changes expected. Same engine, same trans, but will be AWD instead of FWD. This, of course, remains to be seen, The 2018 model is scheduled to be shown - not released - around June of 2017 at the Shanghai Auto Show.
Here's the link: https://autotrends.today/2018-lexus-es-350
Here's the link: https://autotrends.today/2018-lexus-es-350
look for a design change 3 years later with the 2019 ES Model