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Old 01-28-20 | 06:46 PM
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Any upgrades to the line for this year vs 2013 and also, anyone can tell what Luxury package it has?
The car is a base + premium package car with NuLuxe interior, no navigation, etc.

As far as changes from the 2013 to 2015 model year, those changes were quite minor. More significant changes came with the mid-cycle model re-fresh that came with the 2016 model year.


Old 01-28-20 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lesz
The car is a base + premium package car with NuLuxe interior, no navigation, etc.

As far as changes from the 2013 to 2015 model year, those changes were quite minor. More significant changes came with the mid-cycle model re-fresh that came with the 2016 model year.
Is it worth in your opinion? I have not seen a 2015 at this price and such nice shape with, good service records, etc..
Also, is the hybrid of this car not desirable or somehow not as good?
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Originally Posted by CasualLex
Is it worth in your opinion? I have not seen a 2015 at this price and such nice shape with, good service records, etc..
Also, is the hybrid of this car not desirable or somehow not as good?
I haven't paid much attention to the values of used ES vehicles. So, I can't really contribute much with regard to whether this car is priced fairly, but I can add a few things that you should keep in mind.

First, this car is not equipped nearly as nicely as the car that you were originally considering. The Premium package was a fairly inexpensive add-on, and it included only a few items that were not in the base ES, such as wood trim on the dash and doors and memory settings for the driver's seat. The original MSRP would have been about $4000-5000 lower than that of the car that you were originally considering. On the other hand, it is 2 years newer, and it appears to be in significantly better condition.

You should be able to get a good idea of what the car is worth by using the used car value calculators at sites such as kbb.com and edmunds.com. Their calculators will take into consideration things like the car's mileage, its condition, and how it is equipped. Note that the prices that their calculators will yield are likely to be just a bit high, but they should be in the ballpark.

With regard to the current value of a used ES350 compared to that of an ES300h, the values of hybrids tend to vary somewhat with the current prices of gas. When gas prices are high, the values of hybrid vehicles are higher. When gas prices are lower, which has been the case for most of the last several years, the prices of used hybrid vehicles are lower. Also, when a hybrid vehicle starts to get 6 or 7 or more years old, potential buyers start to be concerned about the potential for having to replace the hybrid battery, and that concern tends to depress the re-sale value of hybrids.
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Old 01-29-20 | 09:00 AM
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I would advise that you do some research on what package has what, and also what packages add how much value to the car.

But before that, I would look at the Ultra Luxury package (because it has the most options), and note down any features in that package that you absolutely want. Then look at the other packages and see which is the lowest one that has everything you want.

Then you can target only cars that have that package or higher, and you'll also have a better idea of what you're getting rather than having to try and remember which package has what options on the spur of the moment.

That's how I chose my 2016, and unfortunately for my wallet, it ended up being the UL package solely because of the thigh extender on the driver's seat which was not available in the other packages. I couldn't care less about the motorized rear window shade.

The base question should be "does this car have the features I want," rather than "what package is this?"

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Old 01-29-20 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Eslader
I would advise that you do some research on what package has what, and also what packages add how much value to the car.

But before that, I would look at the Ultra Luxury package (because it has the most options), and note down any features in that package that you absolutely want. Then look at the other packages and see which is the lowest one that has everything you want.

Then you can target only cars that have that package or higher, and you'll also have a better idea of what you're getting rather than having to try and remember which package has what options on the spur of the moment.

That's how I chose my 2016, and unfortunately for my wallet, it ended up being the UL package solely because of the thigh extender on the driver's seat which was not available in the other packages. I couldn't care less about the motorized rear window shade.

The base question should be "does this car have the features I want," rather than "what package is this?"
Lexus packages their cars differently than many other brands. The base ones are nicely equipped compared to other brand's base models. Lucky to find the UL package as I haven't seen a lot of those for sale. Practically impossible to find Crafted Line.
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Lexus packages their cars differently than many other brands. The base ones are nicely equipped compared to other brand's base models. Lucky to find the UL package as I haven't seen a lot of those for sale. Practically impossible to find Crafted Line.
During the various years of the Generation 6 ES model run, only a relatively small number of Ultra Luxury ES cars were built each year. Typically, dealers got a couple of UL ES at the very beginning of the model year, a couple more around the middle of the model year, and a couple near the very end of the model year. That is the reason why, now, the numbers of UL used Generation 6 cars are small and why, when you do find an UL Generation 6 ES, it is likely to command a premium price. On the other hand, during those same Generation 6 ES model years, dealers were flooded with Premium package and Luxury package cars, which is why the used market, now, has plenty of those cars available.

It seems, though, that Lexus has changed their supply strategy with the Generation 7 ES. During the 2019 model year, dealers seemed to be getting large numbers of the UL ES throughout the year. So, a few years down the road, there should be plenty of used UL 2019 and 2019+ ES available.
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Originally Posted by lesz
During the various years of the Generation 6 ES model run, only a relatively small number of Ultra Luxury ES cars were built each year. Typically, dealers got a couple of UL ES at the very beginning of the model year, a couple more around the middle of the model year, and a couple near the very end of the model year. That is the reason why, now, the numbers of UL used Generation 6 cars are small and why, when you do find an UL Generation 6 ES, it is likely to command a premium price. On the other hand, during those same Generation 6 ES model years, dealers were flooded with Premium package and Luxury package cars, which is why the used market, now, has plenty of those cars available.

It seems, though, that Lexus has changed their supply strategy with the Generation 7 ES. During the 2019 model year, dealers seemed to be getting large numbers of the UL ES throughout the year. So, a few years down the road, there should be plenty of used UL 2019 and 2019+ ES available.
Glad you're tracking the trends. I'll likely be replacing my 2016 ES in 2022 with a 2019 UL and lots to choose from!
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To clarify, I wasn't recommending that OP buy an UL package. You look at the highest option package possible so that you can see all of the options. Then you pick which of those options you absolutely want. That might put you in a premium package because you don't care about the luxury/UL additions.

You pick the lowest package that has all of the options you actually want and only look at cars with that package (or higher). so that you aren't wasting your time running around looking at base models if you know you need to get one of the packages to get the options you picked.

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Originally Posted by Eslader
To clarify, I wasn't recommending that OP buy an UL package. You look at the highest option package possible so that you can see all of the options. Then you pick which of those options you absolutely want. That might put you in a premium package because you don't care about the luxury/UL additions.

You pick the lowest package that has all of the options you actually want and only look at cars with that package (or higher). so that you aren't wasting your time running around looking at base models if you know you need to get one of the packages to get the options you picked.
Your post was clear to me the first time. But it can't hurt to clarify in case others are unsure.
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2014 es350 ultra luxury starfire white. 127,000 miles when I purchased it. The car was a 1owner owned car bought and serviced religiously at the lexus dealer that I purchased from. $13,500 was there asking price. Paid $12,800 with tax tags plus new lexus es350 rubber mats. Absolutely love it. Take it for a nice long blast check everything and there's not. If it was not abused don't let the mileage fool.
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