LexFinally

Now all we have to do is whip out the ol' blowtorch and make the swap.

asadani

Although you are spot on the financial recommendation on getting the 22 es, my vote would be to still get the 23 es, primarily for the following reasons.
1. It's the last run of this beautiful v6. Hence It would be best to get your own brand-new v6
2. These cars are notorious for mile modifications to a lower number. You just can't be sure you are really getting the 10k mileage. At least on this side of the world. I was going to buy a brand new one and when I checked the VIN, it already had its 80k miles service and was then vandalized in the US.
3. The entertainment setup is new with wireless Carplay which you can anyways get with an adapter on the 22.
4. You lose out on the touchpad which was a sour spot for a lot.
5. You can spec out the 23, the way you like. Panoramic roof, ML audio, color, etc. but then again you can get lucky with a 22. I personally couldn't find a good valued 22 model here for a lot of discounts as these cars take long to deliver here in the UAE.

Freds430

Consumer Reports Says These 10 Vehicles Are the Least Reliable to Own

july1988

LOL please stop bringing Tesla to the discussion all the time, sometimes I feel like it's personal matter LOL

Getting an used ES for current gen. is maybe one of the hardest choice, now that's I'm thinking about it:

- 2019: should be cheapest one due to age, however many negativities: no auto folding mirror, no apple car play for early production ones, no android auto, there are few minor "new trial" stuff for the "new comer" here and there from exterior (such as lights), chassis, interior (such as seat) that will be improved on later on years.

- 2020: have auto folding mirror LOL, has android auto, pretty much same as 2019, maybe few hidden improvement inside the car that we don't know... Financially speaking, it is maybe a good option

- 2021: I think more standard safety features (I think blind spot monitor become standard), few changes for exterior front end (headlights, vents etc.), Fsport trim's rim is now all-black etc.. and interior (updated seat design for Fsport trim etc.), maybe few hidden improvement inside the car that we don't know... Overall a nice refresh...

- 2022: Touchscreen for the screen, update the USB ports, and maybe few hidden improvement inside the car that we don't know... A lot of people love the touchscreen, this is it for you...

- 2023: BIG update on infotainment system with the new Toyota/Lexus interface, redesign the console, wireless charging, cup holder, re-arrange the whole shifter area, very very good. All other known issues should be fixed, no more COVID supply chain and part crisis, and maybe few hidden improvement inside the car that we don't know... Of course we are talking about a new car at this point...

Overall, says 5-10 years from now if I'm shopping for a used ES, 2023 is the min I will go for, easy peasy. But if I have to pick now, I don't know, maybe get the one that I can test drive and feel happy with it I guess...

asadani

Well-articulated, which is why I got the 2023. I have seen numerous fraud speedometer changes. With a car like lexus, you can easily get a 100k miles refurb as a new one. The finance companies in this region will also not like it if it is a used Lexus as they know what is going on.

Denzlex

“With a car like lexus, you can easily get a 100k miles refurb as a new one.”
Are you saying a Lexus Dealership would try sell a 100k mile vehicle as new? And that it’s possible a buyer wouldn’t notice?

Shaboom

Maybe a typo. He must mean 10k mile vehicle. That’s certainly possible and quite believable.

UltraLux22

Is it me or does that "prone to problems" read as long as a medication side effects list? I can honestly say I feel for Tesla as I can relate; I, too, am prone to have problems with Body hardware, climate control, noises, and leaks. My excuse is getting old; what's theirs?

Consumer Reports Says These 10 Vehicles Are the Least Reliable to Own: **** #3. - Tesla ****

At a therapy session being held for the 10 least reliable cars to own, an announcement was made: "Sorry, everyone, Cars 4-10 won't be attending tonight; unfortunately, they were caught behind a natural disaster." "Oh No, what happened?" "They were following #3."
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According to CR's reporting, you could wait long enough and just get the parts off a Tesla.

UltraLux22

Don't listen to the voices;it's just dementia!😀

UltraLux22

Is SOME of the time ok then? I mean, I can SEE what you are saying--STOP, STOP-- but what I'm HEARING is --LOL, LOL!-- more jokes, please!😀

I think some might go into withdrawal if you ask them to stop talking about TE*LA! I am merely providing colorful commentary on the topics provided before me!

If only there were a place where like-minded people sat chatting about common, shared interests. https://blog.feedspot.com/tesla_forums/ Then they might not feel "special" anymore. It's not personal, just funny!

Say if I hypothetically go out and get a 2023 INFINITI QX80 Sensory edition because the deal was too good to pass up; like really, really good! No, I mean REALLY good; Like so good it's cheaper than what I pay for my Lexus, kinda good! I promise you'll never hear me... I mean probably ever––no, never because, well, it's an INFINITI!

LS500Fan

Thanks for the laughs!!! It's funny because it's true!!!