ES Redesign
#2
No thanks. I prefer the aesthetics of a traditional sedan.
Waiting for what the new Camry will look like because the ES will most likely have a similar silhouette. Just please don't make it look like the Crown.
Waiting for what the new Camry will look like because the ES will most likely have a similar silhouette. Just please don't make it look like the Crown.
#4
Disagree, and the GTS variant looks very wagon like. The ES has been, and should remain, a traditional looking sedan.
Is the Panamera a good looking car? That's subjective, and I wouldn't say it looks good, but definitely doesn't look as odd as when it first came out. Maybe I'm a bit old school, but in the world of SUVs and quirky looking EVs, I prefer the aesthetics of a traditional sedan.
Is the Panamera a good looking car? That's subjective, and I wouldn't say it looks good, but definitely doesn't look as odd as when it first came out. Maybe I'm a bit old school, but in the world of SUVs and quirky looking EVs, I prefer the aesthetics of a traditional sedan.
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billduran (10-30-23)
#5
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Us guys here have zero say in what Lexus will actually do. It's going to be a slightly refreshed Crown
I'm undecided on whether a hatch version of our cars would be OK or not. I'm a maybe, as I liked the hatch of my Model S's.
I'm undecided on whether a hatch version of our cars would be OK or not. I'm a maybe, as I liked the hatch of my Model S's.
#7
True, but I would imagine that "just replacing the trunk lid and back window" would require a lot of structural changes to brace the body to achieve the required levels of NVH and body rigidity required for the ES. Like most cars the ES is built to a price point, and unlike a $92K+ Porsche, Toyota may not want to spend enough money to make that significant a modification. Always possible, of course, but I'd be surprised.
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#9
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I visited a wealthy friend in southern California that had two Porsches, one a Panamera. He let me drive the Panamera and I must say that it was a thrill. However there is scant room in the rear for cargo due to it's hatch configuration. I would think this is the case with most hatchbacks plus there is the matter of security. Nothing like a locked trunk where nothing is visible...
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ATL350 (03-18-23)
#10
True, but I would imagine that "just replacing the trunk lid and back window" would require a lot of structural changes to brace the body to achieve the required levels of NVH and body rigidity required for the ES. Like most cars the ES is built to a price point, and unlike a $92K+ Porsche, Toyota may not want to spend enough money to make that significant a modification. Always possible, of course, but I'd be surprised.
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ATL350 (03-18-23)
#11
How about a 4 door ES hatchback model similar to the Porsche Panamera? Fold down rear seats give you the extra room when needed.
Lot of nice, upscale cars are doing that now. There’s a four door hatchback Gran coupe BMW, also AUDI 5 4 door hatchback and the Porsche version is also quite nice. That’s a proposed perfect compromise. Looks like a sedan, practical as a hatchback! Just might be Lexus answer. I’d hate to let my traditional 2021 ES though, as I’ll probably never find another well made pure luxury sedan after that.
Lot of nice, upscale cars are doing that now. There’s a four door hatchback Gran coupe BMW, also AUDI 5 4 door hatchback and the Porsche version is also quite nice. That’s a proposed perfect compromise. Looks like a sedan, practical as a hatchback! Just might be Lexus answer. I’d hate to let my traditional 2021 ES though, as I’ll probably never find another well made pure luxury sedan after that.
#12
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I'm only speaking from a versatility standpoint. I had to pick up an appliance dolly yesterday and it would not fit in my ES. My wife's Panamera worked just fine. There are those that say just buy an SUV or pickup. Well I don't have the need for such a vehicle very often. Not a practical option. As far as security and seeing in the back, there is a cover. As mentioned, it's already being done by other car makers.
#13
I'm only speaking from a versatility standpoint. I had to pick up an appliance dolly yesterday and it would not fit in my ES. My wife's Panamera worked just fine. There are those that say just buy an SUV or pickup. Well I don't have the need for such a vehicle very often. Not a practical option. As far as security and seeing in the back, there is a cover. As mentioned, it's already being done by other car makers.
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ATL350 (03-18-23)
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I'm only speaking from a versatility standpoint. I had to pick up an appliance dolly yesterday and it would not fit in my ES. My wife's Panamera worked just fine. There are those that say just buy an SUV or pickup. Well I don't have the need for such a vehicle very often. Not a practical option. As far as security and seeing in the back, there is a cover. As mentioned, it's already being done by other car makers.
The new Crown is actually less than 4" taller than the Camry.
There is a strong chance that the forthcoming 8ES will be based on the Crown, but then TMC may believe that luxury buyers are more "conservative" and stick to the traditional sedan format for the 8ES.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next generation 8ES came in both the regular sedan and the Toyota Crown based 4" high riding sedan-SUV version; it will be interesting to see which version sells better...
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#15
I don't know why there's a new thread on this, when a number of us in this thread already know about this car already somewhat and posted on it only a few weeks ago in another thread. (Why not check before creating another thread?)
It arrives end of next year, for MY 2025 and was already designed 2 years ago, being shown right here in this 2021 showcase.
Electrified Lexus lineup through 2025
2024 TX 500h and 2025 ESh
2025 ESh
2025 ESh (zoomed)
And for proof, this was the 2023 RXh.
In another presentation the same day, the 2024 Tacoma as well
There's no reason for the 2025 ES to echo the Panamera, when LS already exists for that purpose and the sales are reflective of it. ES will echo the LS and adopt the 6 window layout.
It arrives end of next year, for MY 2025 and was already designed 2 years ago, being shown right here in this 2021 showcase.
Electrified Lexus lineup through 2025
2024 TX 500h and 2025 ESh
2025 ESh
2025 ESh (zoomed)
And for proof, this was the 2023 RXh.
In another presentation the same day, the 2024 Tacoma as well
There's no reason for the 2025 ES to echo the Panamera, when LS already exists for that purpose and the sales are reflective of it. ES will echo the LS and adopt the 6 window layout.
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