2023 Lexus ES 350 seats rated the best ever
#17
I like how you refer to yourself as an authority, then make a pretty glaring error that the ES is “based on” the Camry when in fact its closest sibling is the Avalon. Although in reality it’s not based on either car but rather they all share the same platform which is a different story. A car being “based on” another car means they used the original car as a starting point which is not how global platforms work.
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#18
f sport seats in wife’s IS350 are amazing however
#19
I drove a 130 miles yesterday and the seat felt great so I am happy as a pig in heaven.
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#20
I like how you refer to yourself as an authority, then make a pretty glaring error that the ES is “based on” the Camry when in fact its closest sibling is the Avalon. Although in reality it’s not based on either car but rather they all share the same platform which is a different story. A car being “based on” another car means they used the original car as a starting point which is not how global platforms work.
#21
I don't understand why the topic of the "ES vs Camry" is so sensitive and controversial. Who cares if the ES shares parts and pieces with the Camry? Other than the parts they share, these are two distinct vehicles, both worthy of praise for their strengths, each in their own rights. Everything Lexus did to make the ES a Lexus (vs a Camry) works for me!
If I had a issue with people calling my ES a glorified Camry, it would say more about me than the vehicle.
If I had a issue with people calling my ES a glorified Camry, it would say more about me than the vehicle.
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#22
I don't understand why the topic of the "ES vs Camry" is so sensitive and controversial. Who cares if the ES shares parts and pieces with the Camry? Other than the parts they share, these are two distinct vehicles, both worthy of praise for their strengths, each in their own rights. Everything Lexus did to make the ES a Lexus (vs a Camry) works for me!
If I had a issue with people calling my ES a glorified Camry, it would say more about me than the vehicle.
If I had a issue with people calling my ES a glorified Camry, it would say more about me than the vehicle.
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#24
I don't understand why the topic of the "ES vs Camry" is so sensitive and controversial. Who cares if the ES shares parts and pieces with the Camry? Other than the parts they share, these are two distinct vehicles, both worthy of praise for their strengths, each in their own rights. Everything Lexus did to make the ES a Lexus (vs a Camry) works for me!
If I had a issue with people calling my ES a glorified Camry, it would say more about me than the vehicle.
If I had a issue with people calling my ES a glorified Camry, it would say more about me than the vehicle.
I object to it, aside from accuracy issues debated above, because of the context in which it is most often used. Most of the time it is meant as a put down, implying that the ES is "just a glorified Camry", meaning it's really just a cheap sedan trimmed up with a higher price tag, nothing more. Despite this platform development sharing now being common globally, the criticism is usually only made against certain cars, the ES being a prime example, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, they all "base" higher models on lower DNA, if you will. You could say a Bentley is just an Audi, even sharing switch gear, for instance, yet you won't hear snark from the automotive press which is then parroted by the public. So the "based on" tag is not used universally because it's not relevant in modern automotive platform development.
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