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Old 07-29-24, 05:00 PM
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I have the 2-channel version of that Alpine, maybe not technically but it looks basically the same. It's a great amp but I can't deal with class D sound, I was running my sub off the Alpine as soon as I switched to a class A/B Hertz amp my bass quality improved dramatically. Not louder but more nuance, more musical.

LC7i will do what you want but I don't have any experience with it. Seems a bit expensive considering it has no built in DSP or at least not one you can control. But audio quality is king so hopefully it is great here.

If I had your car ideally I'd try to find a unit with software controlled DSP with high level input and one that has time alignment.



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Can you enlighten me on DSP?
With the three amps, wouldn't I have decent control with built-in crossovers?
Would DSP be needed?
What would a DSP be able to provide that would make it certainly worth it.
I'm a noob when it comes to the advanced car audio.
Old 07-29-24, 05:39 PM
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DSP box will give you fine control of each input, think advanced equalizer. Time alignment (most DSPs have this) is very nice it adjusts the sound stage to your exact seating position this makes a big difference in a car since you are sitting a box not exactly ideal for sound.

Crossover feature of your amp is primitive compared to DSP control. Here's one such device
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_136981....html?tp=61658
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Originally Posted by zoltman1991
Can you enlighten me on DSP?
With the three amps, wouldn't I have decent control with built-in crossovers?
Would DSP be needed?
What would a DSP be able to provide that would make it certainly worth it.
I'm a noob when it comes to the advanced car audio.
Originally Posted by LeX2K
DSP box will give you fine control of each input, think advanced equalizer. Time alignment (most DSPs have this) is very nice it adjusts the sound stage to your exact seating position this makes a big difference in a car since you are sitting a box not exactly ideal for sound.

Crossover feature of your amp is primitive compared to DSP control. Here's one such device
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_136981....html?tp=61658
Well to answer your question about DSP. Best benefits it provides is signal bondage from all your inputs. So you will actually have a full range sound on the output and then use it to make new crossovers that work best for your setup. Which is why I went with following amp Audison AFM8.14BIT 8-Channel 8 x 140W RMS with 14-Channel DSP. It is 8 channel amp and provides extra 6 DSP controlled outputs that you can connect to more AMPs. Best thing about it, is that its ridiculously small footprint. Product Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 9.44 x 1.85 x 6.14 inches; 7 Pounds Fits under Driver seat where the stock amp for base system is located.

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I would never pay $1700 for a class D amp.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
I would never pay $1700 for a class D amp.
I imported it from Germany for 1000$
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Originally Posted by ilkinandr
I imported it from Germany for 1000$
Better, but I'd rather use an Audison DSP with a different amplifier. Especially since this gives you the option to upgrade/replace the amp and still keep the DSP.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Better, but I'd rather use an Audison DSP with a different amplifier. Especially since this gives you the option to upgrade/replace the amp and still keep the DSP.
I wanted a small footprint. Not to mention I don’t think you will need more than 90w @ 4ohms and sub amp can just be connected to dsp only output. Also I’m sure multi channels amps will go down in price in few years.

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Hi, did you use the supplied capacitor that came with REF 307's and was this on the base Pioneer 10 speaker system. I have 2023 with base system.
FYI - I will answer my own question. Ended up using 300 hz bass blocker speakers fit in with just a slight difference used oversized washer on one side. Also used Metra 72-8109 to make it completely plug and play. Hope it helps someone.
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Originally Posted by bullnobull
...I have this in my es300h UL with ML I am trying to upgrade. So far the speakers are not what I expected. I am trying to not splice into the stock wires. Can not seem to find plugs that fit. Back to supplier I guess. Anyone know the correct parts?

Follow up.
Ok so I found correct plug-in from Audio Shop. Polarity was correct. It was explained that 2022 es300h ML was different from previous years. I installed two dash side speakers (Kickers), and two 6x9 Kickers CSC69S. 3-way Has better sound. Mid priced, and now it is very close in sound to a 2005 LS430 ML I had. Worth it! I'm ready to sell removed speakers to someone for an upgrade to base sound.

UPDATE
Now I am going to add 2 31/2" speakers to back doors . Only 4 months and I want more. SUCKS to have to do this to try and equal a 2005 LS430 ML. Amp should handle it. This will leave stock system alone and unharmed,I hope!

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Old 08-12-24, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bullnobull
Originally Posted by bullnobull
...I have this in my es300h UL with ML I am trying to upgrade. So far the speakers are not what I expected. I am trying to not splice into the stock wires. Can not seem to find plugs that fit. Back to supplier I guess. Anyone know the correct parts?

Follow up.
Ok so I found correct plug-in from Audio Shop. Polarity was correct. It was explained that 2022 es300h ML was different from previous years. I installed two dash side speakers (Kickers), and two 6x9 Kickers CSC69S. 3-way Has better sound. Mid priced, and now it is very close in sound to a 2005 LS430 ML I had. Worth it! I'm ready to sell removed speakers to someone for an upgrade to base sound.

UPDATE
Now I am going to add a 10" sub and 2 31/2" speakers to back doors and back tray. Only 4 months and I want more. SUCKS to have to do this to try and equal a 2005 LS430 ML Amp should handle it, if not I will add inline amp for sub. This will leave stock system alone and unharmed,I hope!
I put two 12s in mine 😬😬
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