Just Saw This On Line—2025 ES? For What It’s Worth
09-25-23, 08:25 AM
#16
Lexus Test Driver
The current ES design is near perfect, even in 2024. I do not like any of those renderings or drawings up above. I'd be happy if they simply took the current design and:
Improved side safety. It would not take much to match new Accord, New Integra, or even New Prius which all achieved an overall "Good" score. I'm sure the new Camry in 2025 will achieve this and I know a new ES will too.
New seats - current ones way too hard and uncomfortable.
Plug in option with 40 mile range minimum. And this shouldn't only be reserved for some high horse power complicated 500h version. give us a basic prius prime level plug in option.
Massaged lights front and back (higher quality, more streamlined, less bumpy/sticky-outie)
Massaged the exterior door handles a bit. they're a tad bulky.
Massage the interior design. Make it less thin.
Massage the front nose a bit. It can be more smooth. Less shark nose/sticky-outie)
Better tech, minimum 5 cameras all around recording 24/7
Less coarse/rough 4 cylinder during acceleration.
Add Fog lights
Re-engineer the doors to make them shut better.
AWD
Oh and make it ride much more floaty and soft. enough of this sporty agile non-sense. this is an ES. i want it to float and bounce. Can we get an Old Man Edition at least?
The new car should be as good or better than a 5 Series, E Class, A6, etc.
Improved side safety. It would not take much to match new Accord, New Integra, or even New Prius which all achieved an overall "Good" score. I'm sure the new Camry in 2025 will achieve this and I know a new ES will too.
New seats - current ones way too hard and uncomfortable.
Plug in option with 40 mile range minimum. And this shouldn't only be reserved for some high horse power complicated 500h version. give us a basic prius prime level plug in option.
Massaged lights front and back (higher quality, more streamlined, less bumpy/sticky-outie)
Massaged the exterior door handles a bit. they're a tad bulky.
Massage the interior design. Make it less thin.
Massage the front nose a bit. It can be more smooth. Less shark nose/sticky-outie)
Better tech, minimum 5 cameras all around recording 24/7
Less coarse/rough 4 cylinder during acceleration.
Add Fog lights
Re-engineer the doors to make them shut better.
AWD
Oh and make it ride much more floaty and soft. enough of this sporty agile non-sense. this is an ES. i want it to float and bounce. Can we get an Old Man Edition at least?
The new car should be as good or better than a 5 Series, E Class, A6, etc.
09-25-23, 10:00 AM
#17
Instructor
I agree with the majority of your points. Considering that Lexus is typically screwing up product refreshes lately, I'm not too optimistic. They ruined the LS compared to what it used to be, they have new turbo 4 powertrain problems. I don't want a turbo, full stop. I don't want a multi-speed transmission at all, it's physically impossible to be as smooth as an e-CVT. Honestly at this point I'd take a Lexus version of the Prius Prime ideally with AWD. I have briefly considered buying a Prius Prime to replace my ES but it's just not enough luxury for me, the new PP is amazing though. I was trying to buy an Ioniq 6 but dealer markups and no inventory have changed my mind.
The following users liked this post:
E46CT (09-25-23)
09-25-23, 10:14 AM
#18
I agree with the majority of your points. Considering that Lexus is typically screwing up product refreshes lately, I'm not too optimistic. They ruined the LS compared to what it used to be, they have new turbo 4 powertrain problems. I don't want a turbo, full stop. I don't want a multi-speed transmission at all, it's physically impossible to be as smooth as an e-CVT. Honestly at this point I'd take a Lexus version of the Prius Prime ideally with AWD. I have briefly considered buying a Prius Prime to replace my ES but it's just not enough luxury for me, the new PP is amazing though. I was trying to buy an Ioniq 6 but dealer markups and no inventory have changed my mind.
09-25-23, 01:26 PM
#19
I agree with the majority of your points. Considering that Lexus is typically screwing up product refreshes lately, I'm not too optimistic. They ruined the LS compared to what it used to be, they have new turbo 4 powertrain problems. I don't want a turbo, full stop. I don't want a multi-speed transmission at all, it's physically impossible to be as smooth as an e-CVT. Honestly at this point I'd take a Lexus version of the Prius Prime ideally with AWD. I have briefly considered buying a Prius Prime to replace my ES but it's just not enough luxury for me, the new PP is amazing though. I was trying to buy an Ioniq 6 but dealer markups and no inventory have changed my mind.
If I had to choose a non Tesla, I'd only consider some MBZ (probably EQE) or Rivian. but even the EQE looks like it has a small back seat. i haven't looked at it too closely but the rear steering does look cool in action. I think the EQE has been leasing for $800 something a month which isn't bad.
BMW... meh. The i4 M50i has little rear clown doors. rear seat is for toddlers only. re-shuffled gas platform to blame.
09-25-23, 02:12 PM
#20
Racer
Thread Starter
These comments make me want to simply play it safe and just keep my like-new, trouble free 2021 ES 350 for the duration. Tried and true powertrain and V-6 configuration. Presumably, any major "bugs" are out of this 7th Generation model by 2021.
Can't imagine that a new version of this car could be any closer to my tastes.
Can't imagine that a new version of this car could be any closer to my tastes.
The following 2 users liked this post by Shaboom:
FreddyG (09-26-23),
LexFinally (09-26-23)
09-25-23, 06:41 PM
#22
with ES being a FWD platform it’ll probably be the turbo 4 with 2 electric motors like is in the RX500h instead
my dream ES would be a plug-in hybrid 4 cyl AWD however like is in the NX450h+
09-25-23, 06:57 PM
#23
however, I know some guys who do not like plug-ins, cause "they're not real cars" lol~~
plug-in is a good choice which need a bigger battery. but i don't know if it's toyota's compromise or really suit for THS system
09-25-23, 09:27 PM
#24
Instructor
09-25-23, 10:36 PM
#25
Driver School Candidate
Honestly the new Toyota Crown and Toyota Crown Platinum with the RX/NX 450h+ drive train = the New Lexus ES Platform underneath and drive-train. I honestly pray they give us the ability to fold the the rear seats in this generation and get rid of the really bad quality plastics on the rear doors of U.L. trim. If they don't I am camping until that new Sexy Lexus Prius comes out 
.
.
09-25-23, 11:00 PM
#26
What plastics are bad on the rear doors?
The following users liked this post:
LexFinally (09-26-23)
09-26-23, 02:24 PM
#27
Intermediate
The current ES design is near perfect, even in 2024. I do not like any of those renderings or drawings up above. I'd be happy if they simply took the current design and:
Improved side safety. It would not take much to match new Accord, New Integra, or even New Prius which all achieved an overall "Good" score. I'm sure the new Camry in 2025 will achieve this and I know a new ES will too.
New seats - current ones way too hard and uncomfortable.
Plug in option with 40 mile range minimum. And this shouldn't only be reserved for some high horse power complicated 500h version. give us a basic prius prime level plug in option.
Massaged lights front and back (higher quality, more streamlined, less bumpy/sticky-outie)
Massaged the exterior door handles a bit. they're a tad bulky.
Massage the interior design. Make it less thin.
Massage the front nose a bit. It can be more smooth. Less shark nose/sticky-outie)
Better tech, minimum 5 cameras all around recording 24/7
Less coarse/rough 4 cylinder during acceleration.
Add Fog lights
Re-engineer the doors to make them shut better.
AWD
Oh and make it ride much more floaty and soft. enough of this sporty agile non-sense. this is an ES. i want it to float and bounce. Can we get an Old Man Edition at least?
The new car should be as good or better than a 5 Series, E Class, A6, etc.
Improved side safety. It would not take much to match new Accord, New Integra, or even New Prius which all achieved an overall "Good" score. I'm sure the new Camry in 2025 will achieve this and I know a new ES will too.
New seats - current ones way too hard and uncomfortable.
Plug in option with 40 mile range minimum. And this shouldn't only be reserved for some high horse power complicated 500h version. give us a basic prius prime level plug in option.
Massaged lights front and back (higher quality, more streamlined, less bumpy/sticky-outie)
Massaged the exterior door handles a bit. they're a tad bulky.
Massage the interior design. Make it less thin.
Massage the front nose a bit. It can be more smooth. Less shark nose/sticky-outie)
Better tech, minimum 5 cameras all around recording 24/7
Less coarse/rough 4 cylinder during acceleration.
Add Fog lights
Re-engineer the doors to make them shut better.
AWD
Oh and make it ride much more floaty and soft. enough of this sporty agile non-sense. this is an ES. i want it to float and bounce. Can we get an Old Man Edition at least?
The new car should be as good or better than a 5 Series, E Class, A6, etc.
09-26-23, 02:25 PM
#28
Honestly the new Toyota Crown and Toyota Crown Platinum with the RX/NX 450h+ drive train = the New Lexus ES Platform underneath and drive-train. I honestly pray they give us the ability to fold the the rear seats in this generation and get rid of the really bad quality plastics on the rear doors of U.L. trim. If they don't I am camping until that new Sexy Lexus Prius comes out .
.
The following 2 users liked this post by LexFinally:
ATL350 (09-27-23),
Wilson2000 (09-28-23)
09-26-23, 02:30 PM
#29
Driver School Candidate
On my thread from :
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/es-...ades-area.html
I Finally got time with the car on a Sunny day and captured the videos via iCloud link. Let me know if your ultra luxury rear door cards with the shades do the same!
ICLOUD Video Link Detailing Areas and Sound : https://share.icloud.com/photos/00ak...uZLof8vOwgGAfg
Also another thread : https://www.clublexus.com/forums/es-...reaking-3.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/es-...ades-area.html
I Finally got time with the car on a Sunny day and captured the videos via iCloud link. Let me know if your ultra luxury rear door cards with the shades do the same!
ICLOUD Video Link Detailing Areas and Sound : https://share.icloud.com/photos/00ak...uZLof8vOwgGAfg
Also another thread : https://www.clublexus.com/forums/es-...reaking-3.html
Last edited by TakeshiJin; 09-26-23 at 03:11 PM. Reason: corrected grammer