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Old 11-08-23, 11:25 AM
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Apparently Toyota continues to tinker with the Crown platform and here’s a new rear wheel drive version. While it says there no versions that will likely come here, might this be a better fit in a modified form for the next ES? Interesting to consider, even if unlikely.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...apan-revealed/
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Lexus will not take any chances with the ES. It is their second most sold car in the US.
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Originally Posted by ATL350
Apparently Toyota continues to tinker with the Crown platform and here’s a new rear wheel drive version. While it says there no versions that will likely come here, might this be a better fit in a modified form for the next ES? Interesting to consider, even if unlikely.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...apan-revealed/
At $48,000, it would be competitive with the ES 350. I don't think they would want to compete with themselves---that's one of the reasons they discontinued the Avalon.
They'll keep making the ES for a long time (as updated). It's a great selling car at a comfortable price point. Excellent value for you get for under $50,000.00!
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If the 2025 ES looks anything like this concept WOW!!! Imagine a improved hybrid engine getting 50mpg.

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Originally Posted by Freds430
If the 2025 ES looks anything like this concept WOW!!! Imagine a improved hybrid engine getting 50mpg.

Personally I’d love to see a similar powertrain as is in the NX450h+ getting mid 30s mpg and 300 Hp or better.
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Personally I’d love to see a similar powertrain as is in the NX450h+ getting mid 30s mpg and 300 Hp or better.
Home run if both options one with power and good mpg and one with super mpg.
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Plug in Hybrid please
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Originally Posted by ESh
Lexus will not take any chances with the ES. It is their second most sold car in the US.

In concept I would agree, but the RX is their number one in sales and they made it less luxurious and with a harsher ride. So there's reason for concern.
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This sure looks like it could be the next ES, except with push button door handles and no buttons on the dash. Looks nice
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Lexus needs to stop screwing up simple things you interact with. The outside door handles are touch buttons, the steering wheel has weird touch sensitive surfaces, they are removing buttons and putting everything in the screen, removing wood trim inside.... Let's hope they don't screw up the next ES.
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Originally Posted by ESh
Lexus will not take any chances with the ES. It is their second most sold car in the US.
I thought it was number three behind the NX and RX but could be wrong
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Originally Posted by BBQapple
I thought it was number three behind the NX and RX but could be wrong
Yes RX #1, NX #2 and ES #3.
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Originally Posted by Freds430
Yes RX #1, NX #2 and ES #3.
Wish they'd simply leave well enough alone and tweak what they have, keep the tech stuff up to date and just let me keep buying the car I very much enjoy for the rest of my years!
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As I've posted a while ago, I wished for a jacked ES some time ago, a-la Crown. Well guess what... mere minutes ago Toyota teases the new Camry to be a new jacked version which will "reach new heights."

This has potential implications for the ES.

We will know about the next Camry November 14. Mark your calendars. All indications are it's a significant re-skin, using tweaked TNGA a-la Crown. We'll see
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Toyota isn't really "tinkering with the Crown platform." It's more accurately said that Toyota is "whoring out the Crown name." As stated in the C/D story, Crown is a longstanding high-end RWD traditional luxury sedan. In my view, the use of the venerable Crown name for the new US Popemobile is an embarrassing attempt by Toyota to invoke tradition just to create a halo of excitement for their stillborn Avalon replacement. The real Crown is the foreign-markets one shown in the C/D story, and I'd trade in my ES for that. But we're not going to get it, because the GS didn't sell here and that's what it would essentially have to replace.
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