View Poll Results: Have you seen Waldo?

No, Never seen a base without Premium pkg.

83.33%

Yes, but almost none.

16.67%

Agree, just build a Premium as the lowest trim.

Don't really care.

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12-16-23, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hotwings

I checked three dealers in my area for a Base model and they said NO INVENTORY and NO ALLOCATION
What I cared most about was getting 17" wheels and every darn one came with 18" and they would not swap for me.
I did get 4% off MSRP so no complaints and I figure I can swap wheels/tires if I really want.
The other good thing was there were NO dealer add ons, just the "premium" package + 18" tires

This same subject was in this forum 2 years ago. I Went through this with my 2022 ES300h UL. Corp would not allow 17 tires,I was ready to walk away. Dealer gave me $1500. 'to go buy anything you want.' I went to a tire shop. We measured and found that I can change tires from 235x45x18r to 235x50x18r. This will add 1/2 inch to sidewall making sidewall as tall as a 17r tire. without buying new rims. I run the original tires at 30 lb cold for a better ride. I do not corner hard and fast.. When they (Michelin energy savers) wear out I will change. No real hurry. People here say I'm driving with one foot in the grave with 30lb cold. Tire pressure goes to 33lb rapidly Its been 2 years now with no irregular tire wear, no problems. Speedo will change. Don't listen to me, Talk to your tire guy and make your own decision, I'm very happy.

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12-16-23, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by YumpinYiminy

Does anyone really want a base ES? It's supposed to be a luxury car. The Premium pkg should be called the Luxury pkg. I feel all base models should be sold with at least those features.
I have an almost fully loaded base that is more than the starting price for the base Luxury trim. I wanted the Luxury trim for the 14 way seats and the 360 camera view. The day after I bought my car A dealer (1 of 3), 90 miles away had what I wanted except it was a hybrid. It was a Nightfall Mica Luxury trim. This is the only Luxury trim and 300h for a 100 miles. There are no Ultra Luxury or any other hybrids.

Lexus probably wanted to avoid having a trim and a package both called “Luxury,” as it would likely cause confusion.