My Lexus injured me ...
03-29-24, 07:19 PM
#16
Lexus Test Driver
Am I the only one that finds rear visibilty poor on the ES350? The reduced height of the rear window makes backing up a chore. I feel like I'm looking thru a peep hole compared to my old Avalon. This is my first car with a rear camera which helps but I wish the rear window was less slanted and taller.
03-29-24, 08:16 PM
#17
I suppose if an airplane pilot can land a plane blindfolded I shouldn't complain. It was a big shock after driving the '99 Avalon for so long.
Honestly it's one of the only complaints I have so far for this car, and maybe that I wish there was an AC button and CD player
Honestly it's one of the only complaints I have so far for this car, and maybe that I wish there was an AC button and CD player
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03-30-24, 01:33 PM
#18
I’ve never been injured by it but it scared the hell out of me the first time I experienced it. I was at a hand car wash and was backing into position for them to dry, vacuum, etc…..my F Sport. There was a guy behind me telling me when to stop backing when the system kicked in. He never knew it activated but I sure did.
Today I explained to my sister how shocking and scary my first experience with it was.
04-03-24, 02:55 PM
#19
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Sorry for the late response folks, I guess I didn't subscribe to my own post? I never received notifications of replies to it.
I'll try to catch up now with the questions.
I was in a parking lot at a grocery store. Ironically I backed into my parking spot so I could see clearly who/what was in front of me when driving out.
My spot was the last one in the row, and when I started to make my turn to the left (I was turning in a circle to get to the exit) I saw there probably wasn't quite enough clearance to get by a parked car. So I stopped and was intending to drive back just a foot. I put the car in reverse, and was traveling at around 1 km/hr.
A car was driving past my car, but little did my smart Lexus know that I was intending on backing up just a foot.
I heard some beeps followed by my brakes being activated on their own. When the brake pedal was released it slammed into my foot which was resting on it.
I immediately felt pain in my right ankle and knee. Tomorrow will be a week since the incident occurred. There still is sensitivity in my knee.
For some reason in my 50+ years of driving I managed to avoid backing into anything, and this was WITHOUT a smart car!
I'll try to catch up now with the questions.
This system avoided me minor damage to the car and another 2 or 3 times when backing out of mall parking slots, etc.
I’ll never be without it again—-ever. It’s one of the best features of my wonderful car, along with Intuitive Parking Assist that’s also indispensable for me, especially now, in my “declining years.”🥴
Sow how did OP sustain his injuries?
I’ll never be without it again—-ever. It’s one of the best features of my wonderful car, along with Intuitive Parking Assist that’s also indispensable for me, especially now, in my “declining years.”🥴
Sow how did OP sustain his injuries?
My spot was the last one in the row, and when I started to make my turn to the left (I was turning in a circle to get to the exit) I saw there probably wasn't quite enough clearance to get by a parked car. So I stopped and was intending to drive back just a foot. I put the car in reverse, and was traveling at around 1 km/hr.
A car was driving past my car, but little did my smart Lexus know that I was intending on backing up just a foot.
I heard some beeps followed by my brakes being activated on their own. When the brake pedal was released it slammed into my foot which was resting on it.
I immediately felt pain in my right ankle and knee. Tomorrow will be a week since the incident occurred. There still is sensitivity in my knee.
For some reason in my 50+ years of driving I managed to avoid backing into anything, and this was WITHOUT a smart car!
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04-04-24, 06:52 AM
#20
Lexus Test Driver
Sorry for the late response folks, I guess I didn't subscribe to my own post? I never received notifications of replies to it.
I'll try to catch up now with the questions.
I was in a parking lot at a grocery store. Ironically I backed into my parking spot so I could see clearly who/what was in front of me when driving out.
My spot was the last one in the row, and when I started to make my turn to the left (I was turning in a circle to get to the exit) I saw there probably wasn't quite enough clearance to get by a parked car. So I stopped and was intending to drive back just a foot. I put the car in reverse, and was traveling at around 1 km/hr.
A car was driving past my car, but little did my smart Lexus know that I was intending on backing up just a foot.
I heard some beeps followed by my brakes being activated on their own. When the brake pedal was released it slammed into my foot which was resting on it.
I immediately felt pain in my right ankle and knee. Tomorrow will be a week since the incident occurred. There still is sensitivity in my knee.
For some reason in my 50+ years of driving I managed to avoid backing into anything, and this was WITHOUT a smart car!
I'll try to catch up now with the questions.
I was in a parking lot at a grocery store. Ironically I backed into my parking spot so I could see clearly who/what was in front of me when driving out.
My spot was the last one in the row, and when I started to make my turn to the left (I was turning in a circle to get to the exit) I saw there probably wasn't quite enough clearance to get by a parked car. So I stopped and was intending to drive back just a foot. I put the car in reverse, and was traveling at around 1 km/hr.
A car was driving past my car, but little did my smart Lexus know that I was intending on backing up just a foot.
I heard some beeps followed by my brakes being activated on their own. When the brake pedal was released it slammed into my foot which was resting on it.
I immediately felt pain in my right ankle and knee. Tomorrow will be a week since the incident occurred. There still is sensitivity in my knee.
For some reason in my 50+ years of driving I managed to avoid backing into anything, and this was WITHOUT a smart car!
04-04-24, 09:21 AM
#21
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Thread Starter
Disable the feature if you don't care for it. I know it has saved many of us here from at minimum a fender bender and possibly worse. It's startling no doubt even after experiencing it several times. We've all managed over the years without these safety features but that doesn't make then useless now. Think about how many lives airbags have saved. Yep we all drove cars without them and still here to talk about it.
I expect 'safety features' to keep me safe rather than injure me.
04-04-24, 10:48 AM
#23
Lexus Fanatic
Maybe it's just me but emergency braking should be able to happen without jamming the brake pedal into your leg.
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04-04-24, 11:12 AM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
False equivalency argument. Not every car jams your leg when emergency braking occurs including one I own (brand doesn't matter).
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04-04-24, 12:20 PM
#26
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I was in a parking lot at a grocery store. Ironically I backed into my parking spot so I could see clearly who/what was in front of me when driving out.
My spot was the last one in the row, and when I started to make my turn to the left (I was turning in a circle to get to the exit) I saw there probably wasn't quite enough clearance to get by a parked car. So I stopped and was intending to drive back just a foot. I put the car in reverse, and was traveling at around 1 km/hr.
A car was driving past my car, but little did my smart Lexus know that I was intending on backing up just a foot.
I heard some beeps followed by my brakes being activated on their own. When the brake pedal was released it slammed into my foot which was resting on it.
I immediately felt pain in my right ankle and knee. Tomorrow will be a week since the incident occurred. There still is sensitivity in my knee.
For some reason in my 50+ years of driving I managed to avoid backing into anything, and this was WITHOUT a smart car!
I was in a parking lot at a grocery store. Ironically I backed into my parking spot so I could see clearly who/what was in front of me when driving out.
My spot was the last one in the row, and when I started to make my turn to the left (I was turning in a circle to get to the exit) I saw there probably wasn't quite enough clearance to get by a parked car. So I stopped and was intending to drive back just a foot. I put the car in reverse, and was traveling at around 1 km/hr.
A car was driving past my car, but little did my smart Lexus know that I was intending on backing up just a foot.
I heard some beeps followed by my brakes being activated on their own. When the brake pedal was released it slammed into my foot which was resting on it.
I immediately felt pain in my right ankle and knee. Tomorrow will be a week since the incident occurred. There still is sensitivity in my knee.
For some reason in my 50+ years of driving I managed to avoid backing into anything, and this was WITHOUT a smart car!
... that the possibility of a collision with a detected object or pedestrian is extremely high, the brakes are automatically applied to help avoid the collision or help reduce the impact of the collision.
While you're the only one there and in a position to know exactly what transpired, perhaps the startle factor along with a reflexive slam the brakes response created a somewhat fuzzed memory of the event where the exact sequence and clarity of distinct actions are blurred together. Slamming on the brakes with your foot in an awkward position could be the source of the ankle injury and slamming your knee on something during your emergency reaction could be a source of your knee injury.
04-04-24, 12:27 PM
#27
This reminds me of the safety feature on many cars when using cruise control where it brakes when it senses you closing in on another car. When I first experienced this in my wife's Denali it wasn't fun. I was in cruise and it detected a car on a side street that wasn't moving - I was at an angle - and the Denali suddenly hit the brakes hard. I thought the driver behind me was going to hit me it was so sudden. I read through the manual and found out how to disable that feature.
I do like and use that feature on my F Sport because I can adjust the distance on the steering wheel where it doesn't slow as quickly. It make interstate driving much easier.
I do like and use that feature on my F Sport because I can adjust the distance on the steering wheel where it doesn't slow as quickly. It make interstate driving much easier.
04-04-24, 12:39 PM
#28
Airbags can be killer too. I seem to recall news reports of airbags beheading a few people. Kind of a suboptimal feature for a safety device I would think.
Airbags weren't the first expensive, complicated gadget system mandated to prevent the "I won't wear seatbelts" contingent from collecting their Darwin Awards. Remember automatic seatbelts?
Airbags weren't the first expensive, complicated gadget system mandated to prevent the "I won't wear seatbelts" contingent from collecting their Darwin Awards. Remember automatic seatbelts?
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04-04-24, 01:06 PM
#29
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Given the circumstances and if you read my post #6 above on the various emergency braking systems, it was the Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA) system component of the PKSB (Parking Support Brake) system that determined (from the Owner's Manual's "PKSB (Parking Support Brake)*" section):
I've had one or two parking support brake emergency engagements while backing out of a parking spot. God awful sound and abrupt stop but I can't recall any brake pedal slamming upon release of the emergency braking.
I've had one or two parking support brake emergency engagements while backing out of a parking spot. God awful sound and abrupt stop but I can't recall any brake pedal slamming upon release of the emergency braking.
All I know is that some system engaged, slammed on the brakes, and injured me.
I don't care if it is called the 'Magic Braking System' etc.
While you're the only one there and in a position to know exactly what transpired, perhaps the startle factor along with a reflexive slam the brakes response created a somewhat fuzzed memory of the event where the exact sequence and clarity of distinct actions are blurred together. Slamming on the brakes with your foot in an awkward position could be the source of the ankle injury and slamming your knee on something during your emergency reaction could be a source of your knee injury.
I know I didn't slam on the brakes.
The brakes were slammed on by the car and then hit my foot which had been resting on the brakes.
Last edited by NoiseFree; 04-04-24 at 01:07 PM. Reason: grammar
05-20-24, 08:26 PM
#30
Intermediate
Thread Starter
A few minutes ago as I was driving into my driveway at home (very dark outside),
I heard a beep and the following message was displayed on the screen above the steering wheel:
"Rear cross traffic alert malfunction
Visit your dealer."
Now this was with my 'Rear cross traffic alert' disabled.
And this is with a car that's just two months old!
Have any of you folks ever seen this message before?
I heard a beep and the following message was displayed on the screen above the steering wheel:
"Rear cross traffic alert malfunction
Visit your dealer."
Now this was with my 'Rear cross traffic alert' disabled.
And this is with a car that's just two months old!
Have any of you folks ever seen this message before?